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Lol. Appeals to authority do not a compelling case make. "X converted therefore it's true" isn't evidence, it's an appeal to authority. Self evident truths will have tangible supporting evidence, you don't have to just take them on faith. The only reason faith is espoused to much as a virtue is because believers don't have anything tangible and rational to go on. I'm not close minded, it just takes a bit more than blind faith and appeals to authority to make a case to me.

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Your skepticism is clouding your judgement.

And your "faith" is clouding yours.

But that's okay, being religious gives one the right to tell everyone else they are sinners and wrong about everything.

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The bible says "Judge not lest ye be judged" but the actions of a lot of Christians lead me to the conclusion that it might actually say "Judge and then cry oppression when they judge you".

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By Todd Starnes

A North Carolina community is embroiled in controversy after a school ordered a six-year-old girl to remove the word

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FFS...

A North Carolina community is embroiled in controversy after a school ordered a six-year-old girl to remove the word
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****ing idiots.....

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These are the people giving atheists a bad name. It's just a poem. If she wants to believe, let her.

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FFS...

Remind me again, how does America's pledge of allegiance go? One Nation under who? They need to make up their mind, allow the use of the word "god" or don't. But make up your mind and move on, it's a word.

That just goes to show that those teaching the youth are often as ignorant as the wards they teach.

How do you not allow the mention of God in a students presentation, but then force it during the Pledge of Allegiance? Simple...the PoA has become such a part of their daily routine that they forget the mention of God.

If you mentioned that to the staff they would be in shock that they had forgotten about it.

It's hypocrist at its finest...and a stunning showing of ignorance.

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Atheists give atheists a bad name...

As do Christians, Muslims, Jews...

I believe in God, but most of the crap I hear coming from people (that are supposed to set an example) is garbage.

One thing I've learned in my 32 years on this earth is that almost everyone is a hypocrite. It sucks, but that's the way it be.

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Nothing wrong with what the school did. They are just erring on the side of caution. I think they are being overly cautious, but they have to. A parent complained.

As a principal of a public school, I must put aside my personal religious beliefs and follow the law

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You're just wrong about the school. They should have used better judgement. I sincerely hope that family sues. The girl's rights were violated.

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Nothing wrong with what the school did. They are just erring on the side of caution. I think they are being overly cautious, but they have to. A parent complained.

Now this wrong:

The school is not denying students rights because of their Christian viewpoint. This has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. This isn't a case of Christians being persecuted.

Now, imagine if this girl was a muslim... and she wanted to thank Allah for saving her grandfather in WWII. You could bet these same people would be outraged. It never fails. It's also not uncommon for people and politicians to spend public money on religious institutions, then freak out when they realize it also benefits muslims... like school vouchers... perfectly fine when going to Christian schools, but evil indoctrination when Islamic schools apply to the same program.

Me? I don't care either way. Let the girl speak, or stop her from speaking. It's an interesting case where multiple constitutional amendments overlap and contradict. But she still has her freedom of speech... that really isn't infringed upon... she just can't use this venue because this venue is constitutionally protected.

Then as stated earlier the PoA shouldn't be allowed in schools. You cannot force a student to proclaim 'one nation under God' at every school assembly (and since this was a school assembly it was likely said minutes before her presentation) and then later tell them not to say God as part of a presentation.

She wasn't proselytizing or endorsing a religion. At that point you might as well strip out all history and mythology lessons as well since those make mention of God or Gods or various other major and minor Deities.

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Not a freedom of speech issue, If the school picks me to design a mural and I paint god hates fags or belive in jesus or burn in in hell that's a taxpayer funded school showing preference toward a particular religion :rolleyes:

So nice try christians but using a little girl or cheerleaders as a proxy wont work :rolleyes:

You're just wrong about the school. They should have used better judgement. I sincerely hope that family sues. The girl's rights were violated.

Difference between us is id be saying the same thing if it were a different religion :yes:

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Not a freedom of speech issue, If the school picks me to design a mural and I paint god hates fags or belive in jesus or burn in in hell that's a taxpayer funded school showing preference toward a particular religion :rolleyes:

So nice try christians but using a little girl as a proxy wont work :rolleyes:

I'm not a Christian...and this wasn't an issue and they weren't using her as a proxy. She was making a reference to her grandfather praying to God.

Making reference to an act does not endorse the act. Otherwise we shouldn't be allowed to teach about slavery in class...since the very mention of an event is tact endorsement using your logic.

So...this is a non-issue and the school made it one while ignoring that they already likely spoke of God not a few minutes before during the assembly.

Stupid is as stupid does...wise words from Forrest Gump. :p

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You are allowed to discuss slavery religion and other issues in a historical context, But turning a Veteran

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The parent did not want the Almighty

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From the sound of the poem, it was referring to her grandfathers who prayed to god. This is a FACT that they prayed to god, without going to the issue of whether the god they prayed to is real or not or being inclusive of non-believers in prayers, the fact is that her grandfathers still made those prayers, which is what was being referenced. Next up they are going to remove all references to religions ever existing from history books?

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You are allowed to discuss slavery religion and other issues in a historical context, But turning a Veteran

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^ try that in the bible belt, Because that's exactly what you want for a veterans day ceremony why not bring the abortion debate into it aswell.

historical context != my grandpa prayed to the almighty and he cured his gayness. Im talking about history class.

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^ try that in the bible belt, Because that's exactly what you want for a veterans day ceremony why not bring the abortion debate into it aswell

Ah I get it. You're being difficult just to be difficult. If I had known that I wouldn't have bothered replying.

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Ah I get it. You're being difficult just to be difficult. If I had known that I wouldn't have bothered replying.

I don't see why my position is the same regardless of religion, No endorsement she can bring in her bible and pray before the class but when she is elected by the school to do something she is acting on their behalf. If the opposite were the case why not hire little sally to decorate the public school with crosses and if anyone says a bad thing they're violating her free speech.

historical context != my grandpa prayed to the almighty and he cured his gayness. Im talking about history class.

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I don't see why my position is the same regardless of religion, No endorsement she can bring in her bible and pray before the class but when she is elected by the school to do something she is acting on their behalf. If the opposite were the case why not hire little sally to decorate the public school with crosses and if anyone says a bad thing they're violating her free speech.

historical context != my grandpa prayed to the almighty and he cured his gayness. Im talking about history class.

No, you're deliberately being obtuse in order to gain attention. You know that what you're saying in this case is completely wrong, but still seeking attention for some reason.

Sorry, but this is my last post on the matter. You know what you're doing, and it's not cool.

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I would have seen no problem at all if she said "God". One day, we will all be judged, by God!

The media is trying hard to get rid of religion altogether. This article shows the effect of a successful brainwash; the media are getting good at it. America's government was based on Christianity at a time, but politicians today don't work on that (solid) basis anymore - they do things their way (and is the world getting any better?). There must be a greater force in control (of politicians). Overtime, I believe pure (non-denominational) Christianity will be proven correct.

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America's government was based on Christianity at a time

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First amendment=Freedom of religion

First commandment=No religions but christianity

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I would have seen no problem at all if she said "God". One day, we will all be judged, by God!

The media is trying hard to get rid of religion altogether. This article shows the effect of a successful brainwash; the media are getting good at it. America's government was based on Christianity at a time, but politicians today don't work on that (solid) basis anymore - they do things their way (and is the world getting any better?). I believe there is a greater force in control (of politicians). Overtime, I believe pure (non-denominational) Christianity will be proven correct.

:o WARNING: THE FOLLOWING VIDEO MAY CONTAIN A LYRIC THAT COULD OFFEND VIEWERS. IT MAY CAUSE RELIGIOUS PROTESTS. :angry: WATCH WITH UTTERMOST CARE (preferably with headphones on so your cat doesn't get offended). :o

(GREAT SONG - THIS IS REAL MUSIC! :rofl:)

Love the song...don't love the post. The country was not founded as a Christian nation. It was founded as a nation where religion was the choice of the individual. The freedom to not have interference in religion from the government.

This is the problem with a weak education system...people think that this is a fact when it's mere supposition without actual proper backing. :(

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