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[Tom]

Inspired by a post about Android in another subforum.

Also I've never met anyone who likes using Java so I'm curious if these people exist.

[x] Kill it with fire.


edit: In case people misunderstand what I mean, I meant Java Language.

[Rudy]

Not sure if you meant using applications made with Java or making Java applications.

In my case it's actually a bit of both but what I hate the most is making Java apps

[Tom]

Rudy, on 02 May 2012 - 18:16, said:

Not sure if you meant using applications made with Java or making Java applications.

In my case it's actually a bit of both but what I hate the most is making Java apps

I edited. I meant using the language itself to make applications.

[Max Norris]

Well, I wouldn't say kill it with fire as it does have its good points. (Except the browser plugins, those do need to be killed with fire.) Being able to do the proverbial "write once, run anywhere" is a pretty handy feature to have. Well documented, lots of code out there to work with, etc etc. But the performance can be fairly underwhelming, the GUI toolkits are atrocious, and the language itself is kind of a disjointed mess.. C# is just much more streamlined and nicer to work with.

[spacer]

Java is a good language. I happen to like it, though it's not my favorite.

The absolute worst thing about Java development are the IDEs. I have tried all of the free ones and none are good. Some are slow and bulky. Others are a pain to use. And all of them look like crapware from the early 90s.

I personally prefer C# because it offers all of the same benefits that Java does, but with a whole lot more to offer. And with the advent of Visual Studio Express, it's a much more compelling option for independent/hobby developers. (in my opinion)

[Dot Matrix]

KILL IT WITH FIRE!

[Emon]

spacer, on 02 May 2012 - 18:33, said:

Java is a good language. I happen to like it, though it's not my favorite.

The absolute worst thing about Java development are the IDEs. I have tried all of the free ones and none are good. Some are slow and bulky. Others are a pain to use. And all of them look like crapware from the early 90s.

I personally prefer C# because it offers all of the same benefits that Java does, but with a whole lot more to offer. And with the advent of Visual Studio Express, it's a much more compelling option for independent/hobby developers. (in my opinion)

This .. you sir are a mind reader!

[Rudy]

spacer, on 02 May 2012 - 18:33, said:

Java is a good language. I happen to like it, though it's not my favorite.

The absolute worst thing about Java development are the IDEs. I have tried all of the free ones and none are good. Some are slow and bulky. Others are a pain to use. And all of them look like crapware from the early 90s.

I personally prefer C# because it offers all of the same benefits that Java does, but with a whole lot more to offer. And with the advent of Visual Studio Express, it's a much more compelling option for independent/hobby developers. (in my opinion)

You're so right.....and I also have a problem with the 20 thousand frameworks that all do the same thing in a slightly different way and are all mostly incompatible with each other

[Max Norris]

spacer, on 02 May 2012 - 18:33, said:

The absolute worst thing about Java development are the IDEs. I have tried all of the free ones and none are good. Some are slow and bulky. Others are a pain to use. And all of them look like crapware from the early 90s.

I dunno -- I agree that most of them are awful and painfully slow, even some of the paid ones like IntelliJ are slooooow. Eclipse is fairly decent though.. it's no speed demon but it tends to be noticeably quicker than most others. Has a few nice features that I wish Visual Studio 2010 had too.. Mylyn for example. Visual Studio has a few nice alternatives but tends to be something monstrously big like TFS or grossly underpowered.

[+remixedcat]

minecraft

[KomaWeiß]

Both have useless gui. Now, if Qt was available for C#. I'd be all over C# again, but they don't. Java has no decent gui whatsoever. C# is what Java should've been.

[MFH]

Out of all the programming languages I've used up until now (more than a dozen) Java definately ranks on the first place in terms of hatred…

[threetonesun]

I started studying Java in school thinking I would pursue a CS minor, and quit after one class. I think, having gone back and taught myself programming later on, had I been exposed to any other language, I would have stuck it out.

[still1]

Java is a good programming language. the only problem is the IDE.
The current IDE's are not easy like the Visual Studio.
Its just a little painful.

[ArialBlue]

Java is a great language. Very versatile and can help you accomplish anything.

The bad things is Oracle PR. Oracle has horrible reputation for obvious reasons and its reputation is spewing over to JAVA 7.

The other bad thing is things like Eclipse. Eclipse is very slow compared to Visual Studio for example. It is just bad in terms of performance.

The last thing is the older JAVA versions as they have vulnerabilities and destroy the reputation of the latest JAVA 7 releases with all security features and stuff.