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[BajiRav]

Enron, on 07 May 2012 - 23:17, said:

Is Motorola charging the same amount to all manufacturers using its patents or are they singling out Microsoft?

If Google/Motorola's thing holds up in court, what's to stop Microsoft from charging Android manufacturers equally outrageous amounts?

I was wondering about it...if Microsoft loses this, what stops them from increasing EAS royalties or stop licensing EAS to Google altogher? Without EAS for any moto phone or google services. They will go down the toilet faster than they can celebrate this victory.

(Replace EAS with whatever other stuff Microsoft claims patents on)

[Anthony Tosie]

MiukuMac, on 08 May 2012 - 04:18, said:

Some of us have been here for almost 10 years - I think we've learned a thing or two about the users here and what is accepted and what isn't.

If Microsoft does something "evil", it's fine. If Apple or Google does something, it's massive flame war to the n'th.

I've been on Neowin for 11 years. I know what the general user base is like -- they'll call Microsoft out if they disagree with them. I don't agree with your categorization of Neowin users even remotely. Our users have no problem calling out Microsoft on any issue they disagree with.

No disrespect, but you guys aren't even explaining your viewpoint, you're just arguing the hypothetical situation of "if the sides were reversed." It's a straw man, basically.

[HawkMan]

webeagle12, on 07 May 2012 - 22:41, said:

Apparently for some people here it's OK to go "one way road". It's ok for Microsoft to take money from Google but not vise verse. I love it.

MS never claimed almost 60$ per device, not even be tenth. Their patents have also not been FRAND patents.

[DevilsNotDead]

webeagle12, on 07 May 2012 - 22:41, said:

Apparently for some people here it's OK to go "one way road". It's ok for Microsoft to take money from Google but not vise verse. I love it.

true... They never fail to amuse me.. also, Moto asked for royalties but instead of negotiating MS took it to court..
so obviously its MS fault... I would like to see MS pay a huge amount to Moto.

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Geekwire's Todd Bishop is live tweeting from the Seattle courtroom where the case is being heard today.
He tweets: Bottom line of Motorola's argument: Microsoft should have responded to 2.25% patent royalty demand by negotiating, not filing a U.S. lawsuit. The Motorola lawyer told the judge, "Don't forget they started this, we didn't start this."

[BajiRav]

DevilsNotDead, on 08 May 2012 - 05:34, said:

also, Moto asked for royalties but instead of negotiating MS took it to court..

http://www.geekwire....is-patent-case/

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But after citing the text from Motorola’s original letter, the judge said, “You’re telling me that’s an invitation for negotiation? Sounds to me like it’s an ultimatum.”

[DevilsNotDead]

BajiRav, on 08 May 2012 - 05:41, said:

http://www.geekwire....is-patent-case/

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Robart also questioned Microsoft’s actions in filing the suit, rather than negotiating. He said, “What good faith is there in saying, ‘You know what, we don’t want to play in your sandbox, we’re going to sue you?’ ”

[xeleraph]

DevilsNotDead, on 08 May 2012 - 05:50, said:

Robart also questioned Microsoft’s actions in filing the suit, rather than negotiating. He said, “What good faith is there in saying, ‘You know what, we don’t want to play in your sandbox, we’re going to sue you?’ ”

To chide Microsoft for not dealing with Motorola with good faith presumes that Motorola was trying to negotiate with Microsoft at all. As the judge's comment shows, that was hardly the case.

[Xahid]

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"Don't forget they started this, we didn't start this."

Epic !

[xeleraph]

Xahid, on 08 May 2012 - 07:18, said:

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Epic !

Sounds pretty much like something you'd hear from a 4-year-old. Not to mention they're out to prove how mature they are by trying to take revenge on Microsoft by abusing FRAND patents when Motorola broke the law in the first place.

[alwaysonacoffebreak]

Google keeps messing with MS until they'll pull the patents on Android. Good luck with that.

Google is big, yes, but they are going against a giant, that won't end well for them.

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MS never claimed almost 60$ per device, not even be tenth. Their patents have also not been FRAND patents.

As far as HTC goes, MS got 5 bucks or so on each device, I'm guessing around the same on Samsung?

[Xahid]

xeleraph, on 08 May 2012 - 07:59, said:

Sounds pretty much like something you'd hear from a 4-year-old. Not to mention they're out to prove how mature they are by trying to take revenge on Microsoft by abusing FRAND patents when Motorola broke the law in the first place.

Well in that case, i don't even think any professionalism needed !
Since, the fight is not for money but to pressurise for patents !

[+cooky560]

No judge will find a $4bn yearly fee fair. At worst it will be a vastly reduced yearly sum, or a one off $4bn payment

[yardmanflex]

@mac, on 07 May 2012 - 22:12, said:

Doesn't MS also make a chunk off every Android device sold?

Yes they do..but they are not over charging like what moto is doing here..

[HawkMan]

alwaysonacoffebreak, on 08 May 2012 - 08:58, said:

Google keeps messing with MS until they'll pull the patents on Android. Good luck with that.

Google is big, yes, but they are going against a giant, that won't end well for them.



As far as HTC goes, MS got 5 bucks or so on each device, I'm guessing around the same on Samsung?

Which is less than one tenth, and actually I believe HTC got a special deal to pay less than that.

[ahhell]

Pretty damn biased article.