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LINCOLN ?- The sign on the window of Massage Envy in Lincoln says "No Hiring," but 19-year-old Ariel Hawkins says that wasn't the case.

On April 24, Ariel, born Andrew, was hired to be a sign swinger. :huh: After the offer was made, Ariel was honest and told the manager she was transgender.

"I had told the manager I was a male to female transgender and that I was going to be starting hormones soon," Hawkins told FOX40. Four and a half hours later, Ariel says the job offer was pulled via telephone.

"They told me that I did not need to come in on my first day of work and that they had replaced me with a different candidate in the company's best interest."

A few days after that, Ariel received a letter from Massage Envy in the mail. Inside was another letter confirming her termination and two checks, totaling just over $100. Ariel said she never worked a single hour for Massage Envy.

Hawkins believes she was fired because of her honesty and sexual orientation, even though the Massage Envy handbook she was given when she was hired has a specific clause about discrimination.

Hawkins plans on filing a lawsuit against Massage Envy for discrimination.

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I lol'd.

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sickos :p

Yes, I'm kidding

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haha i was expecting some guy who looked kind of feminine. Instead it looks like a guy i used to know from college!

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I like how the lady pauses, almost stumbling on her words TWICE when saying "she". :laugh:

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I lol'd.

Why?

I like how the lady pauses, almost stumbling on her words TWICE when saying "she". :laugh:

Why?

Good luck to her and I hope she wins her lawsuit.

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While I don't necessarily agree with her being discriminated on, from a business standpoint, they would more than likely lose a lot of their customers if people knew they were being touched by a transgender. Most people are comfortable only getting a massage from a female, so that person being a male in "disguise" would probably be a serious deal-breaker for most customers.

Depending on what gender she listed on the application, the case could probably be steered away from discrimination and more so that she lied on the application. Ethically it's not right, but as a customer of Massage Envy, I don't think I'd want anybody but a female giving me a massage.

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I don't think you can grow a beard and then expect to be called a she.

Either do it all the way or stfu.

This right there

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Why?

Why?

Good luck to her and I hope she wins her lawsuit.

Why ?

you hope she wins from just knowing the story from one side, through the media ? Maybe wait for the whole story before you give judgment, huh ?

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While I don't necessarily agree with her being discriminated on, from a business standpoint, they would more than likely lose a lot of their customers if people knew they were being touched by a transgender. Most people are comfortable only getting a massage from a female, so that person being a male in "disguise" would probably be a serious deal-breaker for most customers.

Depending on what gender she listed on the application, the case could probably be steered away from discrimination and more so that she lied on the application. Ethically it's not right, but as a customer of Massage Envy, I don't think I'd want anybody but a female giving me a massage.

The person in question was hired to be a 'sign swinger' not a masseuse. You know, stand on a major road and spin a sign around to attract attention.

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Step 2:

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He didn't have to tell them anything..

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The person in question was hired to be a 'sign swinger' not a masseuse. You know, stand on a major road and spin a sign around to attract attention.

Oops, haha, I clearly missed that part. Well that changes everything then. Thanks for correcting me.

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And for the beard, here is a reason from 1 other transgender:

"Alright. Not here to flame, but responding to a couple questions...

1. Why the beard? As stated, the subject hasn't yet started hormones, and likely hasn't begun transition, but is 'planning' on it. I wore a beard up until I began transition as well. Why? For one, electrolosys (the most effective permanent hair removal process) is performed on actively growing hair folicles."

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Why ?

you hope she wins from just knowing the story from one side, through the media ? Maybe wait for the whole story before you give judgment, huh ?

Well it's not exactly uncommon for trans people to face discrimination (just look at the way the majority of posters have responded in this thread) so there's no reason to doubt the story. Perhaps I should just stop reading all news if it's all so inherently wrong.

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WTF? I watched the video and all the references to "Ariel" and "her" but Andrew didn't even bother to shave or even look like a female.

What is this world coming to?

Total BS imo and another freeloader looking to profit from a business, like so many others.

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Also, all the letters were to "Andrew" Would (s)he not applied to the job and registered as "Ariel" or is it because Ariel is not yet a legal name? If so, then h(er[is]) name isn't Ariel but Andrew. Ariel would be just a nickname.

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Well it's not exactly uncommon for trans people to face discrimination (just look at the way the majority of posters have responded in this thread) so there's no reason to doubt the story. Perhaps I should just stop reading all news if it's all so inherently wrong.

So just because of that with no further evidence or not even hearign the other side of the story,, you're siding with the side you heard... hmm yeah.

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