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[contextfree]

Frazell Thomas, on 29 May 2012 - 21:31, said:

In your usage case the Metro Start Screen may not impair your usability at all. I would go as far as saying that the majority of consumers won't be impacted by it, after the initial training adjustment, and could be why you aren't impacted either. Windows is used by more than just consumers though. There is a wide gamut of users with varying levels of sophistication in how they use their computer. I find the more sophisticated a power user you are the most problematic Metro is for you.

This might be the thinking behind the Quick Access Menu (right-click in lower left corner). If power users are the ones who miss the old start menu, maybe instead of bringing it back directly there should be something tuned specifically for them. Let's say they expanded the QAM by adding a search bar and a customization interface. This would have a couple advantages over putting a start button on the desktop:

1. Defaults designed to appeal to power users instead of trying to make everyone happy
2. Directly accessible from anywhere in the system, instead of only from the desktop

Not saying they will do this, though ...

[Dot Matrix]

Frazell Thomas, on 29 May 2012 - 21:31, said:

Change != Improvement...

That line has been said about every single change to every single object ever, but in computing that is the one thing people like to give the most, but here we are with advanced machines that wouldn't be here without hard changes like the ones coming in Windows 8. Five years from now this will be a non issue, just as the changes brought about in Vista are no longer debated. Merto will have evolved by that point to accommodate more interactivity and new technologies.

[BajiRav]

Frazell Thomas, on 29 May 2012 - 20:49, said:

So the Windows 8 sub-forum and threads should only be used by people who love Metro and can't wait to upgrade? Defeats the purpose of a discussion forum in my view...

Reading comprehension fail?

firey, on 29 May 2012 - 21:32, said:

I haven't done so in a long time, and my posting in this thread was a response to someone saying that only stupid people will stay with windows 7.

I guess you are averaging at about 1/day which is still too much for "stopped caring"

[BajiRav]

Dashel, on 29 May 2012 - 21:16, said:

You'll notice that there was no actual reply to any of my prior points there, just more claims that if its too loud, we're too old.

Now you support the death of the double-click! And sitting! You old fashioned idiots, we'll be gravitically supported by the majesty of Metro Start at all times.

May be because it has been answered a million times in one form or the other? You'll also notice that anti-8 people bring up the same old and tired points.
As far as your peripheral vision is considered, that is useless for watching a movie or reading IM.
Ans for start menu and muscle memory is concerned, given time you'll eventually develope it for start screen as well. And no you can't watch a movie in some other part of the screen while using perIpheral vision to reliably click start menu.

[firey]

BajiRav, on 29 May 2012 - 21:59, said:

I guess you are averaging at about 1/day which is still too much for "stopped caring"

Yea.. no.. not even close, but okay think what you want to

[LogicalApex]

BajiRav, on 29 May 2012 - 21:59, said:

Reading comprehension fail?

I guess you are averaging at about 1/day which is still too much for "stopped caring"

I can't read? Don't quit your day job. You're not that good at making jokes...

Dot Matrix, on 29 May 2012 - 21:49, said:

That line has been said about every single change to every single object ever, but in computing that is the one thing people like to give the most, but here we are with advanced machines that wouldn't be here without hard changes like the ones coming in Windows 8. Five years from now this will be a non issue, just as the changes brought about in Vista are no longer debated. Merto will have evolved by that point to accommodate more interactivity and new technologies.

Every change in technology hasn't been an improvement. So to make the statement that change = improvement is false...

If they were then I wonder why we aren't using RDRAM today when DDR SDRAM is slower... Or a whole laundry list of tech failures...

http://www.techspot..../511-tech-fail/

contextfree, on 29 May 2012 - 21:48, said:

This might be the thinking behind the Quick Access Menu (right-click in lower left corner). If power users are the ones who miss the old start menu, maybe instead of bringing it back directly there should be something tuned specifically for them. Let's say they expanded the QAM by adding a search bar and a customization interface. This would have a couple advantages over putting a start button on the desktop:

1. Defaults designed to appeal to power users instead of trying to make everyone happy
2. Directly accessible from anywhere in the system, instead of only from the desktop

Not saying they will do this, though ...

I would be happier if I could make the Start screen something less than Full Screen.

[HoochieMamma]

Frazell Thomas, on 30 May 2012 - 00:14, said:

I would be happier if I could make the Start screen something less than Full Screen.

http://www.stardock....roducts/start8/

Check the screens on the right.

Perfect if this is what Microsoft did in the first place. Full screen is VERY BAD no matter what anyone says. I CAN focus on more then 1 single little thing on the screen at one time so stop forcing a rainbow of colors in my face.

[Hum]

I wish Microsoft would stop referring to Metro.

[Javik]

BajiRav, on 29 May 2012 - 20:22, said:

but he will have to move his mouse from some place on the start screen to bottom of the screen! That's why metro is bad!!!!@@!!

Compared to what I'm used to it's still more convoluted and time consuming. And hell, frankly I don't give a flying fig whether you like my justification or not. Usability is more important to me than swallowing the Microsoft kool-aid and accepting any changes that they force upon me. These features matter to me, and that's why I will not be using Windows 8.

firey, on 29 May 2012 - 20:31, said:

At this point, I've stopped caring haha. I know MS won't allow for disabling it, I know this is the direction they want to go. However I will stick with last years model (windows 7) as it does what I want, how I want, and does it as I want.

Yep, agreed on both fronts.

[BajiRav]

Frazell Thomas, on 30 May 2012 - 00:14, said:

I can't read? Don't quit your day job. You're not that good at making jokes...

Oh...sorry, did I say you can't read? NO. So again, reading comprehension fail!

and FTR, I also did not say or imply that firey should not post in Win8 threads/news/forums.

and feel free to quit your day job if you wish, I don't care or wish to insult anyone around here..

I am done with this little diversion of yours.

[LogicalApex]

BajiRav, on 30 May 2012 - 00:44, said:

Oh...sorry, did I say you can't read? NO. So again, reading comprehension fail!

and FTR, I also did not say or imply that firey should not post in Win8 threads/news/forums.

and feel free to quit your day job if you wish, I don't care or wish to insult anyone around here..

I am done with this little diversion of yours.

You're the one that went on the diversion... That being said, you should stop with it as you're making yourself look more and more foolish each time. Reading = Reading Comprehension... It isn't enough to know how to sound the words out you actually need to know what the cohesive whole of a body of text is saying to be considered literate, aka having an ability to read.

I won't claim to know a lot of things, but one thing I do know is how to read, which includes the ability to comprehend text as a cohesive whole.

[Dot Matrix]

Javik, on 30 May 2012 - 00:42, said:

Compared to what I'm used to it's still more convoluted and time consuming.

You never answered why you are launching the apps just to pin them, if that's what you're doing than yes, it will be convoluted and time consuming.

[theyarecomingforyou]

Javik, on 29 May 2012 - 19:19, said:

Sure, as long as you're happy with an unnecessarily large amount of extra clicks and keypresses. I for one am not.

Metro Start allows you to store dramatically more apps in easily arrangeable groupings. There are dramatically LESS clicks involved because you no longer have to click to expand countless sub-folders or repeatedly scroll down because the start menu was confined to a tiny corner of your screen. If you don't like it then fair enough but it's not slower for locating programs and offers many advantages.

[Dashel]

jakem1, on 29 May 2012 - 21:44, said:

Yet another thread derailed by all the Windows 8 haters arguing about the same old thing.

Not happy about the derailment anymore than you are.

contextfree, on 29 May 2012 - 21:48, said:

This might be the thinking behind the Quick Access Menu (right-click in lower left corner). If power users are the ones who miss the old start menu, maybe instead of bringing it back directly there should be something tuned specifically for them.

Problem is (though I quite agree), that by the time you give us the customization options we want in the QAM, then isn't it pretty much our 'classic' menu anyway?

BajiRav, on 29 May 2012 - 22:10, said:

May be because it has been answered a million times in one form or the other?
As far as your peripheral vision is considered, that is useless for watching a movie or reading IM.
Ans for start menu and muscle memory is concerned, given time you'll eventually develope it for start screen as well. And no you can't watch a movie in some other part of the screen while using perIpheral vision to reliably click start menu.

Actually they haven't. Not a single one of you can seem to empathize with why we find that Metro Start is a jarring and distracting experience or how to make it less so. As far as my main points, who is talking about watching movies and IMs. I'm talking about getting work done.

theyarecomingforyou, on 30 May 2012 - 10:03, said:

Metro Start allows you to store dramatically more apps in easily arrangeable groupings. There are dramatically LESS clicks involved because you no longer have to click to expand countless sub-folders or repeatedly scroll down because the start menu was confined to a tiny corner of your screen. If you don't like it then fair enough but it's not slower for locating programs and offers many advantages.

Hierarchy helps, its not always about mouse clicks. If I'm not using hierarchy, I'm searching anyway. It just makes me pin more of my infrequent programs just in case. Secondly, do you really think the groupings currently qualify as easily arrangeable with the way they bop and weave to their own placement drummer once you are within those containers?

[theyarecomingforyou]

Dashel, on 30 May 2012 - 15:24, said:

Hierarchy helps, its not always about mouse clicks. If I'm not using hierarchy, I'm searching anyway. It just makes me pin more of my infrequent programs just in case. Secondly, do you really think the groupings currently qualify as easily arrangeable with the way they bop and weave to their own placement drummer once you are within those containers?

It's all relative, but considerably easier than the start menu it replaces.