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#31 notuptome2004

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 19:12

Well here is from other sopurces on the Wii U


http://wiiudaily.com...aster-than-wii/



The Wii U is not Running the same exact hardware that is in the 6 year old 360 or PS3 it is running much newer more powerfull gnerations of hardware of today not 6 years ago and Developers have already praised at how powerful the system is compared to the current systems obviously if the system had the same amount of power the current systems had there would be no Wii U controller as it is now because the current power in the 360 for example would not and can not handle the level of graphics we have seen the Wii U push on well the Garden demo from last year.

Not only that but the fact it has to send all kinds of audio video and motion data and other t stuff to and from back and fourth to the Wii U controller the 360 dont have the power to do that the Wii U controller can work independent from the big screen on what is shown on it as seen in most of them Experience demos shown last year so yea allot of horse power and graphics power needed to do all of this


it just sucks that some of you think All Nintendo did was recycle left over 360 parts and scraps and threw the 360 hardware inside and added a fancy controller and that is it.


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Posted 29 May 2012 - 19:36

Noone's said the WiiU is just a re-release Xbox 360, that's crap you're making up, again.

However, your idea that the 360 couldn't run the wiiU demos from last year or the controller is also wrong.


However, it couldn't run a game in full 1080 on the big screen and run the controller. and it would probably have to cut back (remember that each frame in Halo 3 is actually rendered 3 times and composited). That's where the Wii graphics comparisons with last gen comes it.

The WiiU's graphics are only slightly better than the 360 and PS4, because despite more powerful hardware, it's not nearly as much more powerful as the next gen xbox and PS will be, but at the time time it will power all games at 1080 and run the WiiPad. that means it needs that much more power just to give Xbox360 level graphics in 1080. So while it will be better than the 360, it won't be a generation shift, outside of the sharper image.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 19:57

Noone's said the WiiU is just a re-release Xbox 360, that's crap you're making up, again.

However, your idea that the 360 couldn't run the wiiU demos from last year or the controller is also wrong.


However, it couldn't run a game in full 1080 on the big screen and run the controller. and it would probably have to cut back (remember that each frame in Halo 3 is actually rendered 3 times and composited). That's where the Wii graphics comparisons with last gen comes it.

The WiiU's graphics are only slightly better than the 360 and PS4, because despite more powerful hardware, it's not nearly as much more powerful as the next gen xbox and PS will be, but at the time time it will power all games at 1080 and run the WiiPad. that means it needs that much more power just to give Xbox360 level graphics in 1080. So while it will be better than the 360, it won't be a generation shift, outside of the sharper image.



We dont knowwhat the next xbox or PS will be so cant say that at all. and from the garden tech demo last year it is far beyond what the 360 could pull off graphics wise and performance the Wii U is gonna be running current generation Power 7 CPU rumored to me Power 7 express server chip now that alone is a few generations more and more then 7 years newer tech then what 360 has. for graphics it is now rumored to be running a 6770 for GPu but even if it was running or is running the last rumored GPU 4870 that is more then 4 generations newer GPU far more horse power .


as reported earlier last week here http://www.neogamr.n...sually-the-best

Gearbox's senior producer Brian Burleson is quoted as saying that the Wii U is a "powerful, powerful machine." He added that, just in terms of visuals, the Wii U port will "be better" than the version that will be made for the PS3 and Xbox 360.

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Unfortunately, he couldn't go into any more detail, saying only that the Wii U has "more modern tech". He did admit that the Wii U port will allow the console's tablet controller to show a motion tracker, as seen in the movie Aliens, to be displayed on the controller's screen.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 20:09

I personally didn't stop playing on PC because consoles weren't powerful enough - also playing games like FIFA on a console is _so much better_. It's like a different world.

Plus it's a helluva lot more fun to "turn on and play" rather than wonder why Steam crashes, why nVidia drivers bug out and why Windows decides to blue screen for no apparent reason or crash in general.


Weird, I've never had any of those problems. For me PC games are a lot more convenient than console games. Console games I have to either order online or drive 25 mins to go to a store and shell out $60 + tax. With a PC I just pre-order and download on Steam for (usually) $50. To each their own though.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 20:21

We dont knowwhat the next xbox or PS will be so cant say that at all. and from the garden tech demo last year it is far beyond what the 360 could pull off graphics wise and performance the Wii U is gonna be running current generation Power 7 CPU rumored to me Power 7 express server chip now that alone is a few generations more and more then 7 years newer tech then what 360 has. for graphics it is now rumored to be running a 6770 for GPu but even if it was running or is running the last rumored GPU 4870 that is more then 4 generations newer GPU far more horse power .


as reported earlier last week here http://www.neogamr.n...sually-the-best

Gearbox's senior producer Brian Burleson is quoted as saying that the Wii U is a "powerful, powerful machine." He added that, just in terms of visuals, the Wii U port will "be better" than the version that will be made for the PS3 and Xbox 360.

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Unfortunately, he couldn't go into any more detail, saying only that the Wii U has "more modern tech". He did admit that the Wii U port will allow the console's tablet controller to show a motion tracker, as seen in the movie Aliens, to be displayed on the controller's screen.


You're not listening to what anyone's saying are you. again, of course it's more powerful and better. it's justnot that much better, much because it's 1080p res. 1080 alone would justify the gearbox dudes comment that it will look better.

As for the Motion tracker, I'd rather have it on my hud on the screen so I can actually watch it without breaking immerions, besides motion tracker int he controller if it was to work like in the movie would only work with a full 360 degree circular screen. And most importantly, a motion tracker doesn't take any resources to make, and the 360 could actually do the same with a Windows Phone and the new dev tools for integrating them.

And yes we cn say that without knowing the specifics on the Xbox on PS systems, since they are at least 1-1.5 years newer, and MS and Sony's markets are high end gamers combined with media, Nintendo is and always will be the casual gamer with a cheaper devices. MS and Sony are competitors, MS and Nintendo and Sony and Nintendo aren't really. they're somewhat, but not really.

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 22:30

You're not listening to what anyone's saying are you. again, of course it's more powerful and better. it's justnot that much better, much because it's 1080p res. 1080 alone would justify the gearbox dudes comment that it will look better.

As for the Motion tracker, I'd rather have it on my hud on the screen so I can actually watch it without breaking immerions, besides motion tracker int he controller if it was to work like in the movie would only work with a full 360 degree circular screen. And most importantly, a motion tracker doesn't take any resources to make, and the 360 could actually do the same with a Windows Phone and the new dev tools for integrating them.

And yes we cn say that without knowing the specifics on the Xbox on PS systems, since they are at least 1-1.5 years newer, and MS and Sony's markets are high end gamers combined with media, Nintendo is and always will be the casual gamer with a cheaper devices. MS and Sony are competitors, MS and Nintendo and Sony and Nintendo aren't really. they're somewhat, but not really.







1080 yes can make a differance in resolution but in the video he stated more of everything perty much but the issue being that saying it is not much more powerful then the xbox 360 or Ps3 is kinda harsh cause if it was not much more powerful then the current HD console then i doubt we be seeing developers praise the system a year ago and now i doubt developers would praise 1080p as current system can do 1080p if developers toned stuff down.


And you dont know how the Wii U controller would make ya react if it would be distracting or not the many possibilties you can have with it , but again ther is allot of power that it need the Wii U system need to have to handle and transfer all the audio and video and touch screen stuff and motion xyz all rel-time data to and from the system not to mention your Bro can be playing netflix or somthing on the big screen via the Wii U console and you coudl be playinga game at the same time as nintendo hinted at the possibilities from the U controller so being slightly faster is not an option for that as


Now the 360 might be able to pull off the Garden demo on a single screen lower quality shaders and graphics with no 2nd screen but it would not look as good as this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7074loO1lBA&feature=player_embedded

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:51

Yes, I'm pretty sure I know that if I had the motion tracker on my controller instead of on the screen and I had to take my eyes of the screen for it, it would break my immersion. that's simple fact. and again, without a 360 degree screen it wouldn't work properly anyway.

And I'm sorry to burst your bubble since you don't seem to have seen any xbox games since 2006. but that japanese garden demo is not impressive on any level. in fact I believe the 360 would be able to push that (without the extra screen) at 1080. since it doesn't have to use any resources for AI and all that other stuff, so you can get the full cutscene graphics(if you're not aware, custscenes commonly run with much better shaders and textures and sometimes even higher res than normal gameplay)

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 06:11

Ahh but the Garden demo was Real-time driven fully interactive just watch some of the videos including the Zelda one. you keep insisting that 360 can pull all that off and the Wii U is nothing special wow really. the fact you think the Garden demo is just a cut scene and nothing more shows you did not watch the videos of any of the garden youtube videos and how interactive it is the environment is the A.I in the thing .


Now the whole traker thing well you do realize everyone has stated the U controller is very light so it wont be hard for you to look down at the screen or place it more up in the Air and also the fact you can spin yourself around 360 degree and see all around ya with that right and track 360 right or so. one main reason fro them doing or having that as an option is to make the screen the huge screen less busy and let ya focus on shooting . ya didnt watch the developer video either i take it .


Just face the Facts the Wii U is not slightly better or faster then the 360 cause if they was the case Developers would praise the system U controller touch screen augmented reality stuff not be possible Now last year the rumor was 50% more powerful well assuming that is true i dont call that slightly more powerful to me slightly more powerful be more like 4 to 10% if that even . Also i do think that if in the line of the CPU that if it was part of the so called slightly faster then 360 generations hardware i dont think many businesses would upgrade to the Power 7 chips if that was the case at being not much more powerful then the Power 4/5 chips IBM would lose money in that respect

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 06:34

Ahh but the Garden demo was Real-time driven fully interactive just watch some of the videos including the Zelda one. you keep insisting that 360 can pull all that off and the Wii U is nothing special wow really. the fact you think the Garden demo is just a cut scene and nothing more shows you did not watch the videos of any of the garden youtube videos and how interactive it is the environment is the A.I in the thing .


Now the whole traker thing well you do realize everyone has stated the U controller is very light so it wont be hard for you to look down at the screen or place it more up in the Air and also the fact you can spin yourself around 360 degree and see all around ya with that right and track 360 right or so. one main reason fro them doing or having that as an option is to make the screen the huge screen less busy and let ya focus on shooting . ya didnt watch the developer video either i take it .


Just face the Facts the Wii U is not slightly better or faster then the 360 cause if they was the case Developers would praise the system U controller touch screen augmented reality stuff not be possible Now last year the rumor was 50% more powerful well assuming that is true i dont call that slightly more powerful to me slightly more powerful be more like 4 to 10% if that even . Also i do think that if in the line of the CPU that if it was part of the so called slightly faster then 360 generations hardware i dont think many businesses would upgrade to the Power 7 chips if that was the case at being not much more powerful then the Power 4/5 chips IBM would lose money in that respect


I think the 360 is more then capable of the garden scene, so is the PS3 for that matter the way the garden scene is played out anyway. Zooming around looking at details like a cut scene, I don't see any mass of AI or other interactive factors. Zelda isn't very impressive for the gap of 7 years in hardware difference.


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I'm sorry I don't see a 50% jump.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 07:49

I think the 360 is more then capable of the garden scene, so is the PS3 for that matter the way the garden scene is played out anyway. Zooming around looking at details like a cut scene, I don't see any mass of AI or other interactive factors. Zelda isn't very impressive for the gap of 7 years in hardware difference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arHNcSMXaBk
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHHcM6aHPnE

I'm sorry I don't see a 50% jump.



yes it is more then capable @ a greatly reduced detail and resolution you do realize the 360 is running X1600 baaed performance or around that GPU no way could it be able to push full 1080p and the same level of detail as the Wii U running the garden demo let alone agian for the last darn time a wireless touch screen system sending and receiving massive amounts of Data back and froth because the controller itself dont have a CPU or GPU as confirmed by Nintendo iwata some time ago so the Wii U console itself is processing all the visuals being sent to the Wii U controller


and While i think the uncharted games look great for the PS3 the PS3 itself is running a Geforce 7800 series GPU

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 12:20

I think it's pointless to compare graphics with a game on a system that is 6-7 years old and has had plenty of time for developers to figure out how to push the systems to their absolute maximum versus a tech demo on a system that isn't even out yet. The first games aren't going to be representative of the system's full power, let alone a quick Zelda demo from over a year ago. Anyone remember this? Twilight Princess looked way better than that.

Look at the first Xbox 360 and PS3 gameplay videos and they weren't leap and bounds better than the older gen's top graphical games either, aside from going to HD, nor were they anywhere close to the games we have now.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 16:36

I think it's pointless to compare graphics with a game on a system that is 6-7 years old and has had plenty of time for developers to figure out how to push the systems to their absolute maximum versus a tech demo on a system that isn't even out yet. The first games aren't going to be representative of the system's full power, let alone a quick Zelda demo from over a year ago. Anyone remember this? Twilight Princess looked way better than that.

Look at the first Xbox 360 and PS3 gameplay videos and they weren't leap and bounds better than the older gen's top graphical games either, aside from going to HD, nor were they anywhere close to the games we have now.



that is because that video was PRE-rendered CG stuff not in game graphics

and you are correct that it is possibly the first generation games wont look as good or take advantage of what the system mnay really do but i think Developers have enough grasp of the type of hardware in it to push it really good the first time around tho. When the 360 was relased they had never programmed for that type of hardware multi-core chip and a unified architecture based GPU

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 16:41

Ahh but the Garden demo was Real-time driven fully interactive just watch some of the videos including the Zelda one. you keep insisting that 360 can pull all that off and the Wii U is nothing special wow really. the fact you think the Garden demo is just a cut scene and nothing more shows you did not watch the videos of any of the garden youtube videos and how interactive it is the environment is the A.I in the thing .


I ididn't say that it was just a cut scene. But resource wise, the garden demo uses as little resources as a cut scene.

Maybe you should learn to read the posts.

Real time cut scenes are also real time btw... hence the real time.. the difference is that most cut scenes on the xbox has far more resource intensive assets on scene, like tens of actual characters and fully animated lip syncing.

The garden is mostly just scenery.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 16:43

Honestly i think Nintendo should get out of the Hardware game like Sega did, and just make their games for other consoles. the Wii U on launch will not even be as powerful as the PS3 according to E3 last year.


According to people who know nothing. Sure. Everything so far point to it being a little better than current consoles. Gearbox has said that their Aliens game will look best on Wii-U

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 16:46

Meanwhile, back in reality, most of us are waiting for the specs before passing judgement.

I doubt the Wii U is going to be super impressive but at least they'll crawl out of the hole they're in.