Any way to get rid of the ridiculous charm bar?

[George P Global Moderator]

Interesting. You're the guy who didn't like the taskbar in Windows 7, while that was in development. How's that working out for you now? :)

After seeing that post I'm not so sure of anything he says anymore. I'm not one to use the ignore system on here but might as well give it a go now, this has entered a whole new level of silly it seems. And I thought the Gamers Hangout section could get stupid at times, seems it's not limited to that part anymore.

[laz45]

Typically people don't play games windowed, and when they do they don't play them windowed in full screen as well. But for those who do, I don't think so, and what game are you playing that always brings it up? I mean, you have to move the mouse in the top right corner or the lower right corner, typically those areas aren't used by games.

Starcraft 2 you scroll the map around by moving the mouse around the edge. Usually get the Start pop up or the charm and it gets in the way!!! I always play games windowed mode I got 2 monitors so I multitask like change songs, change website, watch a video that teaches me new builds for starcraft, etccccc

[SekaiStory]

Another "I hate Windows 8" thread. And another Windows 8 thread derailed by hate.

On topic:

I understand people who want to remove features that they perceive as "getting in the way", or that are always on the screen, or that are essential. Like the start screen. I love the start screen, but I can understand others that don't.

However, I don't understand people who react the way you do to simple things that are placed out of the way. You want to get rid of the ridiculous charm bar? Why? It's a hidden menu. It's very unobtrusive.

Next you'll be complaining about right click menus. If you don't like right click menus, don't right click!

Exactly; I was baffled when I read the thread. The charm bar really isn't in the way and is very handy as users will know how to search, share something, access settings right away because it's the same charm bar for each app. Would you rather have it being called "Windows Live Connectbar" or "Superbar Metro" and add to all the poor brand names Microsoft has had over the years. They're making everything simpler and more accessible. A mail app is simply called "Mail", A PDF reader is called "Reader" etc etc. Charm bar sounds good and is easy to remember. Much better choice than "Metro apps" or Windows RT in my opinion.

If you (OP) created this thread with the notion of gathering attention, congratulations

if otherwise, get used to it, maybe try out a few apps?

[George P Global Moderator]

Starcraft 2 you scroll the map around by moving the mouse around the edge. Usually get the Start pop up or the charm and it gets in the way!!! I always play games windowed mode I got 2 monitors so I multitask like change songs, change website, watch a video that teaches me new builds for starcraft, etccccc

I see, well, this would be a good time to fire off a message to MS to let them know. As far as I'm aware you can't turn the hot corners off. By the way, do you also hide the taskbar as well?

[laz45]

I see, well, this would be a good time to fire off a message to MS to let them know. As far as I'm aware you can't turn the hot corners off. By the way, do you also hide the taskbar as well?

Its not there in windowed mode.

[Depicus]

Why don't you think it's working right in that screenshot? It looks as if you've just hit the hot spot but haven't dragged your mouse up/down the right screen edge to activate the bar. If so then that's the way it's supposed to work.

I thought it should have shaded black straight away but if that's by design then it's working fine :)

[George P Global Moderator]

Its not there in windowed mode.

Hmm, well, in the Win8 CP the hot corners only worked on one monitor, but people didn't like that so now MS made this change in the RP so any monitor can use them. There could be a hidden setting somewhere, maybe in the registry but I doubt it.

[Brandon H Supervisor]

I see, well, this would be a good time to fire off a message to MS to let them know. As far as I'm aware you can't turn the hot corners off. By the way, do you also hide the taskbar as well?

no, fullscreen windowed mode is an option you can choose in some games (like startcraft 2) that allows a smooth switch from the game to other programs (so the game is fullscreened but has the fluency of being windowed)

[jakem1]

Interesting. You're the guy who didn't like the taskbar in Windows 7, while that was in development. How's that working out for you now? :)

Oh that's priceless. Good find :laugh:

[jakem1]

I thought it should have shaded black straight away but if that's by design then it's working fine :)

Yeah it's a bit weird and I'm not sure why they decided to enforce the slide up/down gesture to activate that bar. Maybe it's designed to familiarise users with the gesture or to introduce a uniform gesture that displays a bar on both sides of the screen. In case you don't know, WIN+C activates the Charms bar and saves you having to use the gesture.

[Rickkins]

Interesting. You're the guy who didn't like the taskbar in Windows 7, while that was in development. How's that working out for you now? :)

IN fact, it's not. Even in 8, I set it to appear as it did in XP. But, thanks for asking. :woot: :laugh:

Actually, it was exactly by bitching about things I didn't like that I found solutions for them.

I also note that you couldn't figure it out then either. No surprise there.

[Seketh]

IN fact, it's not. Even in 8, I set it to appear as it did in XP. But, thanks for asking. :woot: :laugh:

Actually, it was exactly by bitching about things I didn't like that I found solutions for them.

I also note that you couldn't figure it out then either. No surprise there.

So you're stuck in the past and don't like change. I'm sure you hate the Ribbon too...

Nothing to see here then.

[Tomoko]

So you're stuck in the past and don't like change. I'm sure you hate the Ribbon too...

Nothing to see here then.

What is it with product fanboys and this pompous attitude? It's like no one is allowed to have their own opinion and not like something without being rudely put down.

[Rickkins]

So you're stuck in the past and don't like change. I'm sure you hate the Ribbon too...

Nothing to see here then.

Yanno, I did try the pinned thing for a while, just didn't like it. I've also seen enough of life to understand that "new" does not always mean "better".

Not really sure why you should care how I setup my desktop.

[-KJ]

It sounds like something a 13yr old girl would talk about. Seriously, doesn't it..?? Am I the only one who thinks it sounds childish...???

No.

[Seketh]

What is it with product fanboys and this pompous attitude? It's like no one is allowed to have their own opinion and not like something without being rudely put down.

Everyone can have an opinion. My opinion is that he doesn't like change, why is that a "pompous attitude"? I don't think I was rude, just stated an obvious fact that most people around here also stated.

Also you're confusing being a fanboy with liking something. I like Windows 8, therefore I'm a Windows fanboy? I also like pizza, am I a pizza fanboy?

Yanno, I did try the pinned thing for a while, just didn't like it. I've also seen enough of life to understand that "new" does not always mean "better".

Not really sure why you should care how I setup my desktop.

I don't actually.

What I do care however is that users like you keep creating threads like this on the forums.

[Tomoko]

Everyone can have an opinion. My opinion is that he doesn't like change, why is that a "pompous attitude"? I don't think I was rude, just stated an obvious fact that most people around here also stated.

No, you said he was "stuck in the past" and acted like he was inferior for not liking the latest things. You were insulting, and as for the fanboy comment that's the type of people who usually do that. Get offended and hurl insults at people for not liking their product.

[Rickkins]

Everyone can have an opinion. My opinion is that he dosn't like change, what's pompous about that? I don't think I was rude, just stated an obvious fact that most people around here also stated.

Also you're confusing being a fanboy with liking something. I like Windows 8, therefore I'm a Windows fanboy? I also like pizza, am I a pizza fanboy?

I don't actually.

What I do care however is that users like you keep creating threads like this on the forums.

Oh, an attempted strawman variant....luv it.

However, I never said I hated everything new. Not once. Indeed, I'm typing this in win8....which is something new. That I may like to taylor some aspects of it into something more familiar doesn't make the overall os less new.... (ok, i'm getting tired so I may be rambling ... so sorry)

Nitey night, folks.... :)

[Noir Angel]

If Microsoft listened to Neowin users, Windows wouldn't have evolved past Windows 95.

I don't really believe that to be true, from what I can recall from my long time lurking on this site Windows 7 was generally very well received by the vast majority of our members.

They made Windows 8 so they can finally compete with the iPad, which is most definitely in their best interest.

At the moment in time I'm not even 100% sure that's going to happen. I never thought I'd find myself saying this but due to my general intense dislike of the Metro design paradigm I'd consider the iPad to be a more attractive option than Windows 8 at the moment.

Yes, Apple are entirely known for giving users options... :p

Another thing I thought i'd never be saying but that isn't entirely true. Whilst it's true that Apple lock down their mobile devices pretty tight, they have managed to incorporate some of the better design features from iOS into OSX without compromising the design paradigm that most Apple users love, and they still allow their users to make OSX their own, they're not purposely going out of their way to remove code in order to make it completely impossible for people to use the OS in the way they're used to.

[Seketh]

No, you said he was "stuck in the past" and acted like he was inferior for not liking the latest things. You were insulting, and as for the fanboy comment that's the type of people who usually do that. Get offended and hurl insults at people for not liking their product.

I do am sorry if you got that interpretation out of my post, but you couldn't be more incorrect. I just have a tendency to be highly sarcastic, and I usually trap people with their own arguments, like this:

Thanks for calling me a fanboy, that surely isn't an insult.

However, I never said I hated everything new. Not once. Indeed, I'm typing this in win8....which is something new. That I may like to taylor some aspects of it into

Well, you did. You said you're using Windows 8 but set it up to look like XP because you hate how it looks now, and you hated the taskbar on Windows 7.

I did the math, and stated that you probably also didn't liked the Ribbon, which you confirmed. So, yeah, you said that you hate everything new that has been talked about around here.

However, if your argument (that you never said that you hate everything new) is based on semantics, just change the word hate in my posts to "don't like".

[BajiRav]

Well I don't see apple trying to force a tablet interface onto the desktop, their approach is way ahead of microsoft by simply adding elements of ios in useful areas while retaining a complete desktop experience for the average user.

When you boot OSX it still looks and acts just like a good desktop experience should, this is simply not the case with windows 8, not even close.

Uh...OS X Lion has half assed full screen "feature" which is clearly in the same vein as what Microsoft is doing. It is just that Apple will implement it over severale releases whereas Microsoft is doing it in one go.

If you are thinking that Apple does everything properly then you don't have to look much further than Lion,

-full screen is clearly unfinished(exit button hidden, multi-monitor non-existent, entry/exit is not live i.e. iOS like)

-launchpad (why two different interfaces for launching apps?)

-I couldn't believe they still don't have a proper multi-monitor settings applet

-faux leather and other materials in apps which ****ing ugly

-game center in iOS

-hidden gestures/UI in iOS / OS X i.e. exactly like Windows 8.

so yeah - Apple isn't as great either. Both have their fair share of problems,issues.

[Order_66]

Uh...OS X Lion has half assed full screen "feature" which is clearly in the same vein as what Microsoft is doing. It is just that Apple will implement it over severale releases whereas Microsoft is doing it in one go.

If you are thinking that Apple does everything properly then you don't have to look much further than Lion,

-full screen is clearly unfinished(exit button hidden, multi-monitor non-existent, entry/exit is not live i.e. iOS like)

-launchpad (why two different interfaces for launching apps?)

-I couldn't believe they still don't have a proper multi-monitor settings applet

-faux leather and other materials in apps which ****ing ugly

-game center in iOS

-hidden gestures/UI in iOS / OS X i.e. exactly like Windows 8.

so yeah - Apple isn't as great either. Both have their fair share of problems,issues.

I agree with you on a couple of points however apple isn't even coming close to the absurdity of windows 8, sure I don't like "launchpad" and yes OSX does has some hidden gestures that simply should be out in the open but at least apple isn't trying to force a tablet OS onto people who want a desktop pc to look, act and function like a desktop pc.

The whole approach by microsoft in the creation of 8 is just plain idiotic, it's as if they truly hate their users with a passion.

People love to bash apple and it is often justified for different reasons but apple hasn't even come close to the absurdity of the windows design team nor have they come close to the arrogance and selfishness of microsoft in general when it comes to the abomination knows as windows 8, at this point in time microsoft is unmatched when it comes to derailing progress and showing bitter contempt for their customer base.

[rfirth]

showing bitter contempt for their customer base

You're the only bitter one here.

[BeerFan]

Back on topic: The charm bar is an absolutely ridiculous implementation on a desktop. Can you say, "hot corners fail?"

[rfirth]

Back on topic: The charm bar is an absolutely ridiculous implementation on a desktop. Can you say, "hot corners fail?"

That's fine, but you still don't have to open the charms bar if you don't like it.