ViperAFK Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 The OS X version has been 32/64bit for around a year, defaulting to 64bit if the OS can run it (Normal OS behaviour) I don't see why 64bit versions are so important, the only visible change to most users is the lack of "* 32" in the task manager (Speed claims are often wrong/down to user perception) I'm specifically talking about the windows version, as is the OP. I thought that was implied :). I use linux on my laptop and use 64 bit chrome and firefox every day, but on windows there is no stable 64 bit release for either. Ok, uhm, so you're proving the point that Opera isn't first? lolwut? Are you making stuff up to prove a point? It isn't "gimped", it's simply slower than the 32bit version, and even then, most users wouldn't even notice. I've seen users think IE9x64 is actually faster than 32bit and I laugh a little inside, but it just goes to show... Also, IE9 supports both 32 and 64bit plugins just fine, a quick glance in the plugins menu shows this. Was using 64bit since the IE9 betas with no issues, how exactly is it unstable and unsupported? Microsoft don't push "unsupported" software into their OS's... Do unsupported MS OS's get patched? Nope... And the javascript engine in 64 bit ie is significantly slower, I don't know why you are trying to debate that. Regarding support/stability I was more referring to firefox, but I didn't make that clear. I didn't know about ie9 supporting 32 bit plugins, as far as I knew you needed to use 64 bit flash/java with 64 bit ie, is that something that changed with ie9? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkydude Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 I don't see why 64bit versions are so important, the only visible change to most users is the lack of "* 32" in the task manager (Speed claims are often wrong/down to user perception) See my post at the top of this page for a good reason, at least for the security aware. And the javascript engine in 64 bit ie is significantly slower, I don't know why you are trying to debate that. Re-read what I said buddy. I didn't debate that, I specifically said it wasn't gimped, I also specifically mentioned myself that it was slower so did I debate that with myself or where exactly are you seeing this..? :x It has no loss of functionality, it's simply slower, that's it. I wasn't aware that a few hundred milliseconds was "significant", but if you say so. Like I already stated, user perception is everything. Not gonna debate your "unstable" nonsense? Thought so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperAFK Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 See my post at the top of this page for a good reason, at least for the security aware. Re-read what I said buddy. I didn't debate that, I specifically said it wasn't gimped, I also specifically mentioned myself that it was slower so did I debate that with myself or where exactly are you seeing this..? :x It has no loss of functionality, it's simply slower, that's it. I wasn't aware that a few hundred milliseconds was "significant", but if you say so. Like I already stated, user perception is everything. Not gonna debate your "unstable" nonsense? Thought so. I never said ie 64 bit was unstable. I was responding to this post: I'm proving that Opera isn't the first, Firefox has had 64bit builds on Linux for years.... , and I was saying that FIREFOX has no stable 64 bit release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkydude Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 I never said ie 64 bit was unstable, where the hell are you seeing that? Scroll up, you're trying to argue that Opera is the first browser to release a proper, stable, "officially supported" version. You were also directly responding to an IE quote, so if you were somehow talking about another browser I apologize. but no stable 64-bit release. OP is obviously talking about the first browser to release a proper, officially supported 64 bit version. I didn't know about ie9 supporting 32 bit plugins, as far as I knew you needed to use 64 bit flash/java with 64 bit ie, is that something that changed with ie9? No my point was you can have both versions of a plugin installed so you can switch between the two versions of IE effortlessly. Are you telling me Opera 12 x64 runs 32 bit plugins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperAFK Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Scroll up, you're trying to argue that Opera is the first browser to release a proper, stable, "officially supported" version. You were also directly responding to an IE quote, so if you were somehow talking about another browser I apologize. I meant IMO, opera is the first "proper" 64 bit release, in that it has full parity with the 32 bit version, which IE does not. I should have phrased my post better, but when I mentioned stability it was in response to this: I'm proving that Opera isn't the first, Firefox has had 64bit builds on Linux for years.... And I meant that firefox has no stable 64 bit release for windows, only nightly. And then I went on to mention my opinion about opera being a more "proper" 64 bit release. No my point was you can have both versions of a plugin installed so you can switch between the two versions of IE effortlessly. Are you telling me Opera 12 x64 runs 32 bit plugins? And Yes, opera 64 bit has a pluginwrapper that can run 32 bit plugins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkydude Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 And Yes, opera 64 bit has a pluginwrapper that can run 32 bit plugins. On Windows or Linux? If Windows then that is impressive. I don't think another browser does this yet on Windows, though every major plugin (Flash, Java, Silverlight) now has a 64bit version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperAFK Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 On Windows or Linux? If Windows then that is impressive. on both funkydude 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted June 20, 2012 Veteran Share Posted June 20, 2012 While it is true that the 64bit address space would add more entropy for ASLR, there's still other problems with that (for example, exploit code scanning the address space is already running, and it could just as easily hook into a non-ASLR module loaded into the process, AV clients seem to do that a bit) I'm specifically talking about the windows version, as is the OP. I thought that was implied :). I use linux on my laptop and use 64 bit chrome and firefox every day, but on windows there is no stable 64 bit release for either. ... Well the guy you quoted was talking about the Linux release, so I thought we were just talking about Firefox in general :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperAFK Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 While it is true that the 64bit address space would add more entropy for ASLR, there's still other problems with that (for example, exploit code scanning the address space is already running, and it could just as easily hook into a non-ASLR module loaded into the process, AV clients seem to do that a bit) Well the guy you quoted was talking about the Linux release, so I thought we were just talking about Firefox in general :laugh: Yeah, yeah i was getting my quotes all mixed up in this thread and it made me look like a douchebag :D hopefully my last post clarified what I meant to say lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkydude Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 While it is true that the 64bit address space would add more entropy for ASLR, there's still other problems with that (for example, exploit code scanning the address space is already running, and it could just as easily hook into a non-ASLR module loaded into the process, AV clients seem to do that a bit) Yes very true, but not a reason to choose a 32bit browser over a 64bit one (when talking about the same browser 32/64). Every little helps and if you have no DLLs breaking ASLR then you've already boosted browser security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganX Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 While off topic, I just stopped in to say I'm really impressed with Operat. Glad I tried it. Not sure how they did so well when MS has many more resources, Opera shouldn't be this close, in may areas it's better. There are some bugs but it's pretty impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganX Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 On Windows or Linux? If Windows then that is impressive. I don't think another browser does this yet on Windows, though every major plugin (Flash, Java, Silverlight) now has a 64bit version. Windows for sure, don't know about Linux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperAFK Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Windows for sure, don't know about Linux. Opera used the pluginwrapper in the linux version for quite some time before they introduced it in the windows version with opera 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperAFK Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Also, Waterfox has had usable hardware acceleration before even mainstream *Firefox* (a major case where x64 provided a benefit that x32 lacked). Waterfox has been usable (by anyone) almost from the get-go - I *still* have not seen an .EXE-based installer for x64 Chrome OR Opera. http://get.geo.opera.com/pub/opera/win/1200/en/Opera_1200_en_Setup_x64.exe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin McGregor Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 First with a usable 64 bit version that can actually be used for daily use by anyone First with 64 bit on all major platforms IE was totally usable 64bit. and i've had 64bit IE in linux for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order_66 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 First with a usable 64 bit version that can actually be used for daily use by anyone First with 64 bit on all major platforms Indeed, ie was far ahead of the other browsers in that aspect, the other browsers still haven't caught up completely, at least not on windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athlonite Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Is it really true Opera now has a 64 bit version unlike Firefox and Chrome now ? I am not surprised they were first if so. Just wish Mozilla would hurry up with a 64 bit version. We don't need it but would be very nice to have. psh bit late to the party are we,...Opera had a 64bit browser out for windows in December 2011 before that it was only on nix that they had an 64bit version but now it's for everyone they have 3 versions of opera browser 1: Opera 11.6x stable 2: Opera 12 NEXT not as stable as 11.6x but getting there 3: Opera Snapshot almost stable still a little crash happy can use either DX10 or WebGL for HWA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArialBlue Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 For stable official 64-bit browser: Windows XP x64 and Internet Explorer 6 (or was it 7) 64? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athlonite Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 I don't think it mattered which windows OS version you had whether it was 2k XP vista or win 7 x64 you use the same versions of Opera x64 would run on those OS's if they were 64 bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psreloaded Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Opera 12 is mostly about catching up to other browsers, sorry. The only thing really new is the OpenGL acceleration which doesn't even work because it's buggy as hell. Firefox tried to do this back in January and also failed so even that isn't "technically" new. I would disagree... for an example... every other browser has copied their speed dial feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psreloaded Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Also, Waterfox has had usable hardware acceleration before even mainstream *Firefox* (a major case where x64 provided a benefit that x32 lacked). Waterfox has been usable (by anyone) almost from the get-go - I *still* have not seen an .EXE-based installer for x64 Chrome OR Opera. Waterfox is not an official product which is supported by mozilla. And as for the installers... I am not sure if you have checked the Opera site. Others have posted the link here btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athlonite Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 I would disagree... for an example... every other browser has copied their speed dial feature. they may have copied it but none of the others have got it right like Opera :D and for anyone wanting the latest snapshot here's the link for Opera 12.01.1473 x64 :D http://snapshot.opera.com/windows/parrot_12.01-1473/Opera-Next-12.01-1473.x64.exe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted June 23, 2012 Subscriber² Share Posted June 23, 2012 The 64 Bit version of Firefox 16 works very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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