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#166 HSoft

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 20:12

Religion:
1) A specific fundamental set of beliefs
2) And practices
3) Generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects and/or the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices

Sure, atheist have beliefs... the belief that gods don't exist.

But there are no practices of atheists, and certainly no practices that are generally agreed upon.

All parts of a definition must fit in order to apply a definition.

For instance, definition of chromosome: A threadlike structure of nucleic acids and protein found in the nucleus of most living cells, carrying genetic information in the form of genes.

You would argue that any threadlike structure is a chromosome.

OK I get what you are saying. So what are the practices of pastafarianism? What started out as really a joke is now considered a religion.
Edit : Also, if someone says that they are a non-practising catholic, does that mean they are not religious? Why then do they represent themselves with the catholic church?


#167 nominak

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 20:14

If you want to play by the definition then don't just cherry pick one part of it, beliefs and practices. So by the definition, religion is made up of more then just one part. The problem is, atheism is lack of belief but even for arguments sake, if you call not believe a belief, it's still just one part of a bigger picture of the definition. Atheist have no practices and there are no other beliefs.

Trying to associate one part into a entire religion is nonsense. It's like trying to argue that the non-belief in unicorns equates to a religion. Yet no one would seriously believe that the world is all part of a religion that doesn't believe in unicorns. Specially given that unicorns are universally accepted as not being real.

So once again, Atheism is not a religion, it's not even close.


Atheists should start up our own church. Make it a religion, then we can get tax exempt status. Should be considered discrimination if they don't give it to us atheists.

Our Sunday service could be all about how, we don't believe in fairies and cloud men... and how Pastafarians are our friends.

#168 Javik

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 20:22

Pastafarianism is not considered to be a real religion, it still is a joke.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 20:24

Guys stop arguing semantics, it's ridiculous, just as ridiculous as all those who are blowing this out of proportion.
I am, like many here, an atheist, and as much as I don't believe the same things I also think that a certain level of tolerance must be exercised. If atheists have a bad name in the US this certainly won't help!

#170 shakey

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 20:32

Guys stop arguing semantics, it's ridiculous, just as ridiculous as all those who are blowing this out of proportion.
I am, like many here, an atheist, and as much as I don't believe the same things I also think that a certain level of tolerance must be exercised. If atheists have a bad name in the US this certainly won't help!


Atheist can't have a bad name, as you can only group us together by the lack of something, but nothing else. Since Atheism neither has practices, rules, or guidelines... No one can say that a Atheist is supposed to be or do any certain way. In the same way that religion says their extermist aren't the "whole" of the community, one could say the same for Atheist... but agian, that wouldn't be right, since you can't really lump Atheist together in any way, since there is no line to start from.

#171 Charisma

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 20:34

...I'm gonna start a new religion called QuitchaBitchinism. Who's in?
Threads like these will be burned at the stake. :D

#172 Ice_Blue

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 20:39

... Athiesm is a religion.


Would you care to elaborate? Put your money where your mouth is, as it were.
Show me how atheism is a religion.

Your previous explanation was so full of holes I had to use backing paper.

#173 vanillaketch

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 20:39

Ok then let me give you a little test. Look for a person called Jessica Ahlquist, contact her and ask her how friendly she thinks most Americans are towards Atheists that stand up to the religious fundies in your country, or dare to demand their constitutional rights.




Two thing for ya bro;



1) You seem to miss understand Constitutional Rights and what they mean. The Constitution is a list of rights/rules that you are granted from the government. This has nothing to do with private matters. The case you are talking about was in a public school. This is a private run organization.



2) If we follow your view of Constitutional Rights ,I.E. The Private parties are held to the same rules as the Government, you are in violation of those right yourself. You have used derogatory terms/phrases in your post. You yourself full of hate.

"share my delusion and be my pal" / "we choose not to follow the delusions of the masses."



Before you start spouting off more hate and classify me as being a part of one group or another, know that you have no idea who I am or what I believe. I simply disagree with your definition of what the constitution protects. I have said nothing about religion only to what is and is not protected be our governing body.

#174 Ice_Blue

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 20:50

Two thing for ya bro;



1) You seem to miss understand Constitutional Rights and what they mean. The Constitution is a list of rights/rules that you are granted from the government. This has nothing to do with private matters. The case you are talking about was in a public school. This is a private run organization.



2) If we follow your view of Constitutional Rights ,I.E. The Private parties are held to the same rules as the Government, you are in violation of those right yourself. You have used derogatory terms/phrases in your post. You yourself full of hate.

"share my delusion and be my pal" / "we choose not to follow the delusions of the masses."



Before you start spouting off more hate and classify me as being a part of one group or another, know that you have no idea who I am or what I believe. I simply disagree with your definition of what the constitution protects. I have said nothing about religion only to what is and is not protected be our governing body.


Does not invalidate his point.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 20:51

Religion - noun 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature , and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.



http://dictionary.re...browse/religion



I guess you could use the word at the basest level ... but I would use the term belief system. Everyone has a belief system regardless of if there any deities or any organization. Everyone believes one thing or another to be true.



Please note that the following is also a part of the definition.

5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith

I am not aware of any Athisitic rituals etc etc etc

#176 vincent

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 20:52

Region :- a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects AND/OR the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices

So taking the definition, do athiests believe that there is not a god/mohammed etc? Yes. Is there a bunch of athiests who believe this? Yes. Thereby Athiesm is a religion by definition.
Do some people believe that bacon tastes good? Yes. Do a bunch of people believe this? Yes. Thereby people who love bacon can be defined as a religion.
I know that traditionally athiesm refers to a lack of religion/beliefs but by definition it's a belief in "nothing" I suppose you could phrase it. And that belief can be defined as a religion.
Religion doesn't automatically mean a belief in some higher power/god or whatever you want to call it. You can be religious about collecting stamps if thats what floats your boat.



This lowered my IQ...

#177 HSoft

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 20:57

This lowered my IQ...

well that doesn't say very much but thanks for your input...

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 21:54

well that doesn't say very much but thanks for your input...


Well, maybe if your rantings were a bit more coherent...

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 00:29

OK I get what you are saying. So what are the practices of pastafarianism? What started out as really a joke is now considered a religion.
Edit : Also, if someone says that they are a non-practising catholic, does that mean they are not religious? Why then do they represent themselves with the catholic church?


Perfect. Start a strawman argument, and see how it goes.
Do you have an original thought?