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#46 mattmatik

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 05:29

You realize there are power users here on Neowin who manage to code in VS while looking stuff up on the internet, watch a movie, talk to a friend on Skype and do a crossword puzzle all at the same time. So a full screen start menu is an issue. For us normal people who focus on one thing at a time Win 8 will be great :)


That's not a power user. That's ADD.


#47 mrp04

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 05:33

That's not a power user. That's ADD.


And impossible. A start menu using your full screen for 2 seconds isn't going to "break your workflow" it's just whining about change, even if it's for the better.

#48 Kelxin

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 06:00

But Windows 8's "spectacular" multi-monitor support will, VM support, craptastic "charms" and new filesystem definitely will.

If you're tired of people "whining" about how terrible it is, how about STFU about it period? You do your thing, we'll be over here watching the OS fail.

#49 FloatingFatMan

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 06:01

I'm kinda getting used to it, but the full screen nature of metro apps is bloody annoying; so much so that I just don't use them. I run a dual 24" monitor setup. I don't need my mail client to use the entire screen area of one of them, thanks; I don't need everything in 72 point font in a layout I can't change (really, vertical layout? Urgh...). I also don't need a massive wall of ultra-bright white in my face. I have no desire to be blinded by my monitor, thanks. Maybe if I could at least change it to black, but nope.. MS say hands off your computer, it's ours now!

It's also annoying how metro is still so half assed. The device list, for example. Why can't I bring up the device properties in that list, and change settings, hmm? No... Instead I have to go back to the old style control panel and do it from there. Annoying.

Also, the good old startup folder. It's now just a huge pain in the backside to drop things in there. I have a few apps that I start every time I boot my machine, why did MS have to make me jump through hoops to put them back?

Metro is just fine for a touch interface (if missing a shedload of stuff still), but it's just nowhere near as useable in a desktop environment.

And really? I have to now remember a crapton of keyboard shortcuts to do stuff I could once do much more easily? Bleh.

#50 Wyn6

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 06:05

(assuming you're saying it distracts you)
I disagree; when something pops up on my screen (however small) my attention immediately turns to it, even if it's just for a second or two. If I'm writing something in Word, and I want to look something up, what I'd do in Windows 7 is press the Win key -> a small window pops up and I immediately divert my attention to it -> I type in "Internet Explorer" or something similar -> ensure that what I'm pressing enter for _is_ Internet Explorer -> launch Internet Explorer and divert my attention to it. In Windows 8 that flow would look something ilke: press the Win key -> the screen changes, and I immediately divert my attention to it -> I type in "Internet Explorer" or something similar -> ensure that what I'm pressing enter for _is_ Internet Explorer (which is easier thanks to the large tile) -> launch IE and divert my attention to it. (or, alternatively) press the Win key -> the screen changes, and I immediately divert my attention to it -> type whatever I want to look up -> pick Internet Explorer in the list of search apps -> divert my attention to it.

ofc, if your usage pattern differs from mine (like, say, you don't naturally try and confirm what you're launching is what you want to launch, or if you don't have your attention diverted by smaller windows) then ignore the above (:


An even quicker way to do the above would be from ANYWHERE in the OS you are, desktop, start screen, app/program, go to Charms (win+C, swiping from the right, mousing to the upper/lower right corner) and select Search.

OR... just hit Win + Q to bring up Search.

Type in what you wish to search then select ANY app to use to search including Internet Explorer which will use Bing or your default search engine to search the internet.

I didn't mention Win+I/F/W as those lead you to specific types of searches, though you can choose another type easily.

Once you get used to this method you'll find you can search for anything on the computer or on the internet from wherever you happen to be in the OS. And, I do mean ANYTHING from ANYWHERE.

P.S. I'd recommend for some of you, "I don't need apps taking up the full screen," folks to try snapped view. I can work on any number of programs with any number of open windows while keeping news, Tweetro, certain games, or whatever snapped to the left or right as I prefer. You could conceivably have 10 viewable windows open at once including snap.

Why that would be necessary short of being an android, I don't know. But, you can do it.

#51 Kelxin

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 06:10

Hey WYN. Open up Windows 8 in a Virtual machine and hit WIN + Q ... What happens? OH WAIT, you get the HOST OS, not the GUEST. FAIL

Or how about WIN + I, F, W? Oh yea, SAME THING.

You Win 8 guys need to really open your eyes. They screwed up big time on this OS.

And yes, that excludes EVERYTHING from ANYWHERE from being searched in a VM that way.

#52 nMIK-3

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 06:16

Thanks for showing everyone how to easily access "My Computer" and "Control Panel" without the Start Menu.
That complaint started to really bather me... I was about to create video myself. :D

#53 rfirth

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 06:20

I'm kinda getting used to it, but the full screen nature of metro apps is bloody annoying; so much so that I just don't use them. I run a dual 24" monitor setup. I don't need my mail client to use the entire screen area of one of them, thanks; I don't need everything in 72 point font in a layout I can't change (really, vertical layout? Urgh...). I also don't need a massive wall of ultra-bright white in my face. I have no desire to be blinded by my monitor, thanks. Maybe if I could at least change it to black, but nope.. MS say hands off your computer, it's ours now!


You get to choose which desktop and - if any - metro apps you use. I don't really use the metro apps for the same reason you don't, but I don't waste my time complaining about it because there are perfectly good alternatives. If you ignore the metro apps, you're no worse off than you were in Windows 7.

As for background colors, settings, and such... there will be plenty of metro email clients. The one developed by Microsoft is just the bare minimum. This will get more interesting as we get more apps. For now, use desktop apps when it makes sense to do so.

Metro is just fine for a touch interface (if missing a shedload of stuff still), but it's just nowhere near as useable in a desktop environment.


The metro apps really aren't very usable on desktop, but Windows 8 itself is. Ignore the apps for now, they will come.

And really? I have to now remember a crapton of keyboard shortcuts to do stuff I could once do much more easily? Bleh.


No, you don't. You don't have to remember any keyboard shortcuts. Everything you could possibly want to do can be done with the mouse, just like always. Keyboard shortcuts are there for your convenience. They aren't a necessity.

#54 HawkMan

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 06:20

No one has answer my question though. Why is having the option such a problem? If everyone said they wanted the option (even if you had no interest in using it) to have it or not then Microsoft would be compelled to give that option. No one has answered this yet.


I've answered that several times both to you and others in other threads, so you can stop claiming it hasn't been answered and stop trolling that topic.

and it all boils down to, removing old crap, speed, resources and time. if you want specifics go to any of the many other threads you anti W8 trolls have ruined with hate posts which are completely OT from the OP. This thread is not about start screen vs Start Menu, it's about efficient use of the Start screen, if you want to troll start screen vs menu, do it in any of the many other threads that are all about that.

Back on topic.

YEah, this is pretty much how I use the start screen as well, faster and more efficient, but then again, I also rarely see the start screen since I don't start many apps in the day and the apps I do use often are pinned to the taskbar, and the start screen makes it easy to find apps when I do want to start something else do as everyone else I normally just use the search anyway.

#55 Pam14160

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 06:25

The bolded part is purely your opinion and the part after are your reasons backing up your opinion. I do not need to see nor want to see so many items at once, there for I do not want a full screen start menu or need it. Also, my computer is not a touch screen.

That's fantastic that the people you've showed it to like it. I was talking about stuff that I've witnessed on neowin and why people that are labeled as "windows 8 haters" don't like metro.

You still didn't answer my question though. Why are you so resistant to having the option? Really? If I can use the regular old start menu on my computer and you can use the metro start screen on your computer why is that a problem? If the only thing that it costs to have the option is some random coders time at Microsoft then why do you care that we have the option? And who knows, maybe down the line people who like the start menu in windows 7 might decide they want to turn the option on to try the metro start screen.

If people who dislike metro are resistant to change then people who do like and argue why it's "the best" are resistant to having options. And I think that's far worse.





Internet forums aren't for you then, sorry. If you want to only see one side of the argument you could start a blog or something maybe???

You are really a mindless individual; it must be hard living with yourself. Some people's kids.

#56 FloatingFatMan

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 06:44

You get to choose which desktop and - if any - metro apps you use. I don't really use the metro apps for the same reason you don't, but I don't waste my time complaining about it because there are perfectly good alternatives. If you ignore the metro apps, you're no worse off than you were in Windows 7.


Sure, which is just what I do.

As for background colors, settings, and such... there will be plenty of metro email clients. The one developed by Microsoft is just the bare minimum. This will get more interesting as we get more apps. For now, use desktop apps when it makes sense to do so.

The metro apps really aren't very usable on desktop, but Windows 8 itself is. Ignore the apps for now, they will come.


Kinda defeats the point of what Microsoft are trying to achieve if the only way to actually achieve it is use 3rd party apps. Hence why I say it's half assed; they've done a barely tenth of what they need to do.

No, you don't. You don't have to remember any keyboard shortcuts. Everything you could possibly want to do can be done with the mouse, just like always. Keyboard shortcuts are there for your convenience. They aren't a necessity.


Tell that to all the rabid proponents and their "I'm a trillions times more productive now coz I'm memorized a bazillion keyboard shortcuts and you're lame if you can't!" comments.

Windows has always been about getting away from the keyboard to interact with the OS, and now suddenly we have to go back to it?

#57 FloatingFatMan

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 06:45

You are really a mindless individual; it must be hard living with yourself. Some people's kids.


You're resorting to personal insults now? Clever. You just made your entire argument moot by doing that. Well done.

/slowclap

#58 Matthew_Thepc

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 06:47

Hey WYN. Open up Windows 8 in a Virtual machine
...
They screwed up big time on this OS.

now because you can't use keyboard shortcuts in a virtual machine the OS is going to fail? AVERAGE USERS DONT USE VIRTUAL MACHINES.
another point: if you opened up Windows 7 in a virtual machine and pressed the Win key to open up your start menu, what happens? "OH WAIT, you get the HOST OS, not the GUEST. FAIL" Windows 7 uses the Windows key to do many of the same functions that Windows 8 does.

#59 Matthew_Thepc

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 06:51

Kinda defeats the point of what Microsoft are trying to achieve if the only way to actually achieve it is use 3rd party apps.

sorry, where has Microsoft said that they're trying to do everything without 3rd party apps? Windows has never been about keeping third party developers from developing apps.

#60 FloatingFatMan

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 06:55

sorry, where has Microsoft said that they're trying to do everything without 3rd party apps? Windows has never been about keeping third party developers from developing apps.


Not what I said at all. Try again.