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Firefox's biggest problem in the quick release cycle is that it doesn't quickly and silently install the updates like Chrome does. It requires user interaction and takes a while.

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Good article. It describes exactly what drove me to Chrome after being a loyal and faithful Mozilla/Firefox user for years and years. And thing is, now that I've switched to Chrome, I can't see ever switching back either.

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Firefox's biggest problem is Mozilla.

Mozilla's evangelists are idiots blinded by open-source faith, their developers are probably good but there are too few of them, their product management is ridiculous (look at what just happened to Thunderbird), the goals they set for themselves make no sense (rapid releases without silent background updates, HTML drafts over security, ..), their developpers cannot communicate with the designers....

Firefox survived despite Mozilla's problems because at the time IE was old and outdated and there was no real competitor. Now that both Microsoft and Google are in the game, they can't compete.

(and I'm writing this using Firefox...)

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Firefox updates drove me to Chrome before the frequent update release schedule. They were already being too much of a pain for me, but then I hate updaters at the best of times - they have a knack of choosing the most inappropriate moment.

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I don't think an update prompt every 6 weeks is as bad as some people make it out to be (How often does Windows want to install updates and restart?), but they are fixing that with Firefox 15 so it doesn't ask for permission, it just updates while running (Like Chrome does)

I do like how Chrome updates (I've installed it on peoples systems for that exact reason), but that's the only redeeming feature Chrome has in my opinion.

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Updates are killing FF. What a laugh. What's next, blaming Microsoft again for their issues? Mozilla never seems to understand the real issue.

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Firefox 15 onwards all these problems will be solved , background and silent updates with little to no interaction required. The developer should have tried nightlies :/

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Firefox 15 onwards all these problems will be solved , background and silent updates with little to no interaction required. The developer should have tried nightlies :/

Addons and themes compatibility problems too? Because I think that's the bigger issue with frequent updates of Firefox. In Chrome I haven't encountered an extensions that would break after browser update. In Firefox (when I launch it from time to time to see what's changed) I still can see a dialog with list of addons that are incompatible with new version).

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It must just be me, I don't really see the release cycle, and having updates in your face a problem.

Personally I like interacting with the updates, makes me aware when they are happening.

If they are done in the background, how do you know what's going in, what breaks etc.

The only thing that does get a bit annoying is checking the extensions, thankfully I don't have that many.

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Addons and themes compatibility problems too? Because I think that's the bigger issue with frequent updates of Firefox.

Exactly. I don't mind receiving updates but I do mind when those updates break the application and that's a constant problem with Firefox.

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Firefox 15 onwards all these problems will be solved , background and silent updates with little to no interaction required. The developer should have tried nightlies :/

Or maybe Mozilla should have created a good update system before starting their rapid release nonsense.

I've got their "maintenance service" installed but on my Win7 it always UAC-prompts me when a new update is available. And I'm on Aurora, which means lots of updates. I can live with it; most people get annoyed.

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It wasn't the updates. Updates are good - it was the slowness and general crappiness of the browser that put me back on IE.

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Addons and themes compatibility problems too? Because I think that's the bigger issue with frequent updates of Firefox. In Chrome I haven't encountered an extensions that would break after browser update. In Firefox (when I launch it from time to time to see what's changed) I still can see a dialog with list of addons that are incompatible with new version).

all addons are now set to compatible , unless there is some exception.

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Addons and themes compatibility problems too? Because I think that's the bigger issue with frequent updates of Firefox. In Chrome I haven't encountered an extensions that would break after browser update. In Firefox (when I launch it from time to time to see what's changed) I still can see a dialog with list of addons that are incompatible with new version).

Since v10 all extensions (And themes) are assumed to be compatible by default. If you're still seeing extensions that don't work now, then odds are they're abandoned, and they're not going to be updated.

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Ugh, yes, the addon issue was annoying. I couldn't update unless AdBlock and NoScript were working.

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I was one of the few that condemned this "rapid release cycle" as complete nonsense right off the bat. Now, it isn't killing me - I'm on Nightly, updates come every day, sometimes twice a day. Forces me to relax a bit, close tabs I actually wouldn't/shouldn't care, recycle browser and thus clear cookies and crap. It's funny though that I don't see any other merit. There haven't been tangible changes back from version 5, except addons breaking left and right, me thinks.

Mozilla should pull their heads out of their asses and stop living in the past and implement things that matter, for example, multi-process tabs, mulled over for years. Those little JavaScript craptimizations are worthless if main thread stops responding because some other tab could not complete in a timely manner.

If I hadn't configured it to my liking (and no other browser allows me to do it so extensively), I'd drop Firefox on the spot. No wonder at all that other, less or no OCD stricken, people easily do.

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I remember for awhile there circa 2008 and before??? that, we waited for the newest release, they designed and developed on a rather normal cycle which lead me to believe it was a quality product. now what? win8 won't allow other browsers to play on it too? if this is true.. I see another anti-trust case slapping MS from all over.

But Firefox in and of itself has... lost it's drive and core values. they added too much cruft and bloat for my taste

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I love the new faster updates. I guess for GNU/Linux users it's easier to manage within the existing package management framework. As far as Windows is concerned, I'm sure silent updates will remedy the situation.

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Adding silent updates is great for keeping people, who either refuse or don't know how, up to date. However, if they continue to change the UI as often as they do, only now in silent updates, they're going to change the most important piece of the software without the knowledge or consent of the user. That is a big deal.

I would argue there are bigger problems with the browser other than the rapid release cycle. (which isn't that big a deal) I just hope Mozilla can slow down, take a deep breath, and get back on the right track.

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Personally I switched from Firefox to Chrome because of performance issues. They may have fixed that now but things are so good on Chrome right now that I have no incentive to switch back. If Chrome starts to suck however I'd try Firefox again.

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I don't know what release they were included in, but I like Firefox's newer developer tools more than the ones in Chrome. I've also had fewer issues with Firefox, and lately I've barely even noticed the updating, and haven't had any plugins crash.

I might be biased though, I don't like using browser made by companies that have a vested interest in you using their browser (Internet Explorer -> Bing, Chrome -> Google), so Firefox (and Safari) would have to get a lot worse before I'd stop using them.

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I switched because:

- rapid release cycle - the stupidest thing ever to happen to firefox

- the add-on issues were highly annoying (even before the rapid release cycle)

- performance was slower compared to chrome

- cross platform - chrome is much faster on android than firefox mobile

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This guy should speak for himself, I like the new release cycle.

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Maybe that explains why they still can't support retina on OSX hmm.gif It's pretty sad to watch the devs on FF's bugzilla try to figure out how to support it.

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