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[url="http://swampland.time.com/2012/07/26/chick-fil-a-meets-a-first-amendment-buzzsaw-in-chicago/?iid=tsmodule"]http://swampland.tim...o/?iid=tsmodule[/url]

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Dan Cathy, the CEO of Chick-fil-A, is a self-described Christian businessman, who proudly runs his [url="http://topics.time.com/fast-food/"]fast-food[/url] chain according to his own vision of Christian principles. His stores close on Sundays, for instance, and the company gives money to nonprofits that support limiting [url="http://topics.time.com/marriage/"]marriage[/url] to unions between a man and a woman. A couple of weeks ago, Cathy explained this in an interview with the [url="http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=38271"][i]Baptist Press[/i][/url].

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[quote]No evidence has been presented to suggest that Chick-fil-A discriminates against gay or lesbian customers or employees.[/quote]

Bingo. This is much ado about nothing.
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Emanuel should hide his shameful face. He's actually BRAGGING about Chicago values. Those are the values of criminal corruption, gangsters and terrorists and common street thugs. You would have to go to Detroit to find anything worse.
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While I'm not a fan of corporations getting involved in politics period, I don't really see what wrong Chicken Fil-A is doing here. Basically the governors are dictating what is right and wrong in a subject that doesn't have overwhelming support on either side. I say they stay out of the way and let the people decide where they want to take their business.
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It's funny how the liberals who preach diversity and inclusiveness fail to see that they do everything they can to exclude Christians from their world.
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^That's not exactly the same...

Either way, Chik-fil-a was good, but I'm not eating there and supporting them. Welcome to the 21st century.
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So wait .... Boston mayor is awesome and tries to portray his people as awesome as well, but in reality a lot of them are stuck up conservatives? Edited by ArialBlue

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[quote name='roadwarrior' timestamp='1343524397' post='595042243']
It's funny how the liberals who preach diversity and inclusiveness fail to see that they do everything they can to exclude Christians from their world.
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I agree with this statement. The only people who can have rights in this country are liberals. Sorry, everyone else, but our military men didn't die for you, they died for us liberals.
You only have freedom unless you are a liberal, anyone else sorry...

By the way Chick-fil-a still serves food up for everyone. It's not like if you are (insert whatever here) and they don't serve you food.
If they did that then yes I would be against them. Obama just changed his mind on gay marriage, where some people going to vote for someone else before he changed his mind? yeah of course not. Derp

The entire city is having serious issues of unemployment and murders and they are worried about this? Derp
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[quote name='Zappa859' timestamp='1343524940' post='595042259']
^That's not exactly the same...

Either way, Chik-fil-a was good, but I'm not eating there and supporting them. Welcome to the 21st century.
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Nobody on Earth cares about you and where you want or don't want to eat, they are actually going to get more business as this controversy (free advertising) means more money for them (no matter what Boston or what Chicago does or doesn't do), they can't go against the rights of a company like that, just like the update on the last paragraph says.

You are not that important and the 21st century started a while ago, it's 2012.
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[quote name='Yogurtmaster' timestamp='1343526502' post='595042289']
Nobody on Earth cares about you and where you want or don't want to eat, they are actually going to get more business as this controversy (free advertising) means more money for them (no matter what Boston or what Chicago does or doesn't do), they can't go against the rights of a company like that, just like the update on the last paragraph says.

You are not that important and the 21st century started a while ago, it's 2012.
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And no, they won't get more business. More shunning, more like it. I'm leaving this thread now. Being insulted by a clear degenerate is good enough reason for me to leave. Edited by Calum

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[quote name='Growled' timestamp='1343344094' post='595037451']
Bingo. This is much ado about nothing.
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That's factually wrong. Chick-Fil-A has been sued 12 times for employment discrimination, for things like refusing to take part in a group prayer to Jesus (the plantiff was a Muslim). They prefer that operators be married (which would, in most states, preclude gays), and the CEO has been quoted as saying he would probably fire and employee or terminate an operator "who has been sinful". Operators can also be terminated for refusing to comply with the rule about being closed on Sundays.

[url="http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2007/0723/080.html"]http://www.forbes.co...7/0723/080.html[/url]

While I don't think it's within the rights of the mayors of Boston or Chicago to refuse to allow the company to open stores (see Bloomberg's comments), to think that CFA is a victim in all this is an absolute falsehood.

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[quote name='roadwarrior' timestamp='1343524397' post='595042243']
It's funny how the liberals who preach diversity and inclusiveness fail to see that they do everything they can to exclude Christians from their world.
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I agree. If you truly believe in diversity you should believe that even those who believe different from you should have their say. That is not we see from the left now.
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Chick fil a gave around 2 Million dollars to anti gay groups who tried to eliminate the whole "all men are created equal" and introduce laws based on the christian faith to the entire country. Gave money to exodus who pushed for the "kill the gays" bill down in uganda. (before it became public and was "halted") It's a lot more than just freedom of speech. We have seperation of church and state for a reason. Imagine the hissy fit everybody would have if the Scientology group or Muslims pushed for laws based on their belief.

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[quote][size=5][b]Does Rahm Emanuel Not Know That Louis Farrakhan Agrees With Chick-Fil-A?[/b][/size]

[size=4][color=#000000][font=Georgia, Times,]Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel wants to ban Chick-Fil-A in Chicago because of their biblical stance on marriage, while at the same time welcoming the racist Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan to the city to help with crime control. Remember how I pointed out the hypocrisy of Emanuel and Alderman Joe Moreno over their
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[quote name='Growled' timestamp='1343344094' post='595037451']
Bingo. This is much ado about nothing.
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And one would think Rahm Emanuel would know better.

Emanuel is (or at least should be) quite familiary with Farrakhan and the Nation - as the Nation's primary mosque is, in fact, in his old Congressional district. There is ONE - and only one - difference between Farrakhan and Cathy - skin color (in this context). In fact, if anything, Farrakhan is more extremist than Cathy. Yet Farrakhan is excused for it because he's Black.

No - I didn't excuse it out of Farrakhan when I first heard it out of his own mouth - and I won't excuse it now. This is not about good vs. bad (in the PC sense) - this is about bad vs. worse. Both are intolerant against same-sex marriage - the difference is that Farrakhan is also a racist - something that can't be said about Cathy. (In fact, there isn't even so much as a viable allegation of racism against Cathy, let alone Chick-Fil-A; Farrakhan has said he is a racist - and has utterly refused to apologize for it.)

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[quote name='Growled' timestamp='1343527966' post='595042331']
I agree. If you truly believe in diversity you should believe that even those who believe different from you should have their say. That is not we see from the left now.
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Advocating discrimination against others regarding one of their characteristics is not an opinion or a belief: it is an abhorrent absurdity in the 21st century. Denying rights to other because of their gender, skin color, sexual orientation is an attack against someone's individuality.

Take DADT: gays can serve in the US military as long as they do not express their sexual orientation, as long as they hide what they are. Gays are good enough to be soldiers, to serve their country and potentially die for it but not good enough for them to have the same rights as others so they are second or third class citizens?
Where is the equality?

By the way, do not bother citing Voltaire and his supposed "defend the right to say it' citation, there is more than enough in Voltaire's work against religious intolerance and fanatisms from all sides to fill the forum.

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[quote name='Yogurtmaster' timestamp='1343525983' post='595042277']
I agree with this statement. The only people who can have rights in this country are liberals. Sorry, everyone else, but our military men didn't die for you, they died for us liberals.
You only have freedom unless you are a liberal, anyone else sorry...[/quote]

Not trying to defend the liberals, but that rhetoric sounds really familiar. Where have I heard it before? Could it possibly be "Jesus died so everyone can escape from being doomed to hell, but you only count as 'everyone' if you're a Christian"?

Naaaahh...
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[quote name='xeleraph' timestamp='1343642729' post='595044835']
Not trying to defend the liberals, but that rhetoric sounds really familiar. Where have I heard it before? Could it possibly be "Jesus died so everyone can escape from being doomed to hell, but you only count as 'everyone' if you're a Christian"?

Naaaahh...
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Correction to your quote there: Jesus died so that [u]those who have faith in Him[/u] can be saved.
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kind of off topic, but it would be funny if Apple, Microsoft, and Linus Torvalds all came out and said 'We disagree with xyz lifestyle!'

then the xyz lifestyle people would be computerless....

(disagreeing with something doesn't mean you discriminate against it)

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[quote name='Buttus' timestamp='1343656906' post='595045209']
kind of off topic, but it would be funny if Apple, Microsoft, and Linus Torvalds all came out and said 'We disagree with xyz lifestyle!'

then the xyz lifestyle people would be computerless....

(disagreeing with something doesn't mean you discriminate against it)
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And Chick-fil-a isn't discriminating against anyone either. They don't refuse service (or jobs for that matter) to people based on their sexual orientation or marital status. They are also a privately owned company, so they don't have to cater to the demands of shareholders. The owners of the company are free to express their views on issues without having to worry about being voted out of the CEO chair by people who disagree with them. The owners are also free to make donations to organizations that support their own beliefs.
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Cute pic I found on Facebook. Sums up the situation pretty nicely:

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Hmm spout about how you have to respect others, be open and tolerate their views and choices, then turn around and call for people's heads when someone takes another view.

Yup, right has become wrong, and wrong.... right. It's a sad world we live in when tolerance is now 100% intolerance with a side of self-righteous indignation.
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[quote name='Skin' timestamp='1343791135' post='595049819']
Hmm spout about how you have to respect others, be open and tolerate their views and choices, then turn around and call for people's heads when someone takes another view.

Yup, right has become wrong, and wrong.... right. It's a sad world we live in when tolerance is now 100% intolerance with a side of self-righteous indignation.
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Didn't you get the memo? Liberal tolerance doesn't apply to straight white Christians.

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[quote name='roadwarrior' timestamp='1343656311' post='595045187']
Correction to your quote there: Jesus died so that [u]those who have faith in Him[/u] can be saved.
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Ah yes, Mr. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you", if ever a perfect quote for fitting into the context of "you can't marry someone because you are different then us".

[quote name='Skin' timestamp='1343791135' post='595049819']
Hmm spout about how you have to respect others, be open and tolerate their views and choices, then turn around and call for people's heads when someone takes another view.

Yup, right has become wrong, and wrong.... right. It's a sad world we live in when tolerance is now 100% intolerance with a side of self-righteous indignation.
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[quote name='roadwarrior' timestamp='1343791458' post='595049823']
Didn't you get the memo? Liberal tolerance doesn't apply to straight white Christians.
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Funny how that quote seems to fit the other shoe as well. :whistle:

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[quote name='mudslag' timestamp='1343792412' post='595049849']
Funny how that quote seems to fit the other shoe as well. :whistle:
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I think what people do not understand is that no where does the Bible suggest you tolerate sins, nor the blatant disregard for what is Holy and Pure. many people try to fall back into the 'Christian's must accept everything to be good Christians', when that is crazy.

Be of the world, but not part of it. Accepting what you know (as a Christian) to be wrong, is in itself abhorrent.

Anyhoo, aside from that. The point that he was making, is that for a group that wants acceptance and openness, and pure tolerance of belief and rights, they sure call for the hurt when people take the opposite stance from theirs.

The main main point being, 'white' folks, and also Christians in general, have begun seeing persecution for just their beliefs at an alarming rate - especially when other groups claim to want diversity and to welcome all others.
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