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#16 TheLegendOfMart

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:15

It's all about context though, of course I should judge a group of religious people when the message is one of hate, gays are protesting in the name of their own rights, they aren't trying to oppress religion/heterosexuals, they just want equal rights, just a shame that some spoil it for the rest.


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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:27

I have to say that when I watched that video, I felt really sad. It was very hard for me to watch that.

I don't really want to post this, but this reminded me of how Jewish people were made fun of in
Germany from the German SS at the very beginning before the war.

While I know not all people are like that, I was hoping that it wouldn't be this bad this early
and I fear it's only the start of things to come.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:31

It's all about context though, of course I should judge a group of religious people when the message is one of hate, gays are protesting in the name of their own rights, they aren't trying to oppress religion/heterosexuals, they just want equal rights, just a shame that some spoil it for the rest.


But, you're insinuating that the entire group of religious people are the same. So you're basically saying it's not ok to apply these blanket thoughts/statements to homosexuals for instance, but perfectly ok to make blanket statements/judgments on religious groups.

I don't disagree that all homosexuals shouldn't be painted with the same brush, but you're implying that all religious people should. You're being a hypocrite. Which quite frankly, I find much much worse than someone who uses blanket statements (Which I do ALL the time. It's fun to run around painting everyone with a particular brush).

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:37

I'm not insinuating they are all the same but when the book they worship says that gays are an abomination its easier to target the religion than the people who worship it. If that happens to be a catch-all, tough titty.

All gays want is equality, the 'good book' says that gays are an abomination and sinners, its easier to apply a blanket statement to the people who worship that book because of the message it sends.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:37

Fascism rears its ugly head in many guises. The latest version is to be seen demonstrating against a chicken restaurant.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:42

What's wrong with that?

Is it not OK to be intolerant of intolerance?

There is no way of effectively going after the CEO, so they hit him where it hurts, his profits.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:44

I'm not insinuating they are all the same but when the book they worship says that gays are an abomination its easier to target the religion than the people who worship it. If that happens to be a catch-all, tough titty.

All gays want is equality, the 'good book' says that gays are an abomination and sinners, its easier to apply a blanket statement to the people who worship that book because of the message it sends.


I definitely won't disagree that it's "easier to apply" to them, doesn't mean it should be and or that it's ok to do so. Which is my point. How does that saying go? People who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones.

I throw stones all day. I had Plexiglas installed ;)

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:51

What annoys me is that people in this thread and the world think that gays have some sort of hive mind, that a small group of gay people even one gay person speaks and acts for every gay person.

Its ridiculous.

Just because these gays are idiots doesn't mean that every gay person condones it. Why would you judge millions of people by the actions of a few....


Totally. The actions of one or a few shouldn't speak for everyone else in the group. So tired of seeing all these comments about the Chick-fil-a thing and people being annoyed by "the homosexuals" for being a part of it.

Though to be fair, the guy speaking may not even be homosexual for all we know. Plus considering this is obviously a demonstration, it just seems like the dude is merely expressing opinions of his own which is all about the free speech. The preacher guy could also retort back with his own opinions.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:57

I'm not insinuating they are all the same but when the book they worship says that gays are an abomination its easier to target the religion than the people who worship it. If that happens to be a catch-all, tough titty.

All gays want is equality, the 'good book' says that gays are an abomination and sinners, its easier to apply a blanket statement to the people who worship that book because of the message it sends.


Well if you want to get down to the science part of it what makes homosexuality in nature normal? Humans and animals alike are suppose to procreate with male+female... you can not achieve that with F+F or M+M ..So in some regards it is an abomination just like albino animals. Now don't take this as me hating on gays because i don't - i think they should be treated like every other person as well - they only lack the ability to marry and assume legal authority over their spouse in medical situations..other than that they can vote, work at any job, own land, own a home, etc...Hell blacks were oppressed far worse if you look at it. What these protesters did in this video makes me lose a lot of respect for the movement - they want tolerance and acceptance but they have no problem bashing and demeaning a preacher or anyone who might not exactly believe in their lifestyle. Martin Luther King preached non violence..maybe the gay community should take a page from his book of non violent protest if they stand to gain what they truly want.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 09:08

Well if you want to get down to the science part of it what makes homosexuality in nature normal? Humans and animals alike are suppose to procreate with male+female... you can not achieve that with F+F or M+M ..So in some regards it is an abomination just like albino animals. Now don't take this as me hating on gays because i don't - i think they should be treated like every other person as well - they only lack the ability to marry and assume legal authority over their spouse in medical situations..other than that they can vote, work at any job, own land, own a home, etc...Hell blacks were oppressed far worse if you look at it. What these protesters did in this video makes me lose a lot of respect for the movement - they want tolerance and acceptance but they have no problem bashing and demeaning a preacher or anyone who might not exactly believe in their lifestyle. Martin Luther King preached non violence..maybe the gay community should take a page from his book of non violent protest if they stand to gain what they truly want.

I never said it was 'normal', the norm is heterosexuality and homosexuality is outside of that norm. The problem is the connotation that is attached to words used to describe gays, while the usage might be entirely innocent the connotation makes it feel like they are less than, like they are second class citizens just because they like the same sex.

Abomination is a disgusting word to use to describe a group of people:

a·bom·i·na·tion
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1. anything abominable; anything greatly disliked or abhorred.
2. intense aversion or loathing; detestation: He regarded lying with abomination.
3. a vile, shameful, or detestable action, condition, habit, etc.: Spitting in public is an abomination.

Again, you use the word 'they' a lot, 'they' are a group of people, not spokespeople for every gay person. I agree they have MOST rights but not all rights and I never said that sexual orientation oppression was even the slightest bit like racial oppression, but oppression is oppression. While they have most rights they also cant adopt, get sacked from jobs for being gay, they get spat on, they get assaulted even murdered just because of their sexuality, again I'm not trying to say that it's anything as bad as racial oppression but gays have it a lot worse than you realise.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 09:31

I never said it was 'normal', the norm is heterosexuality and homosexuality is outside of that norm. The problem is the connotation that is attached to words used to describe gays, while the usage might be entirely innocent the connotation makes it feel like they are less than, like they are second class citizens just because they like the same sex.

Abomination is a disgusting word to use to describe a group of people:

a·bom·i·na·tion
[uh-bom-uh-ney-shuhn]


1. anything abominable; anything greatly disliked or abhorred.
2. intense aversion or loathing; detestation: He regarded lying with abomination.
3. a vile, shameful, or detestable action, condition, habit, etc.: Spitting in public is an abomination.

Again, you use the word 'they' a lot, 'they' are a group of people, not spokespeople for every gay person. I agree they have MOST rights but not all rights and I never said that sexual orientation oppression was even the slightest bit like racial oppression, but oppression is oppression. While they have most rights they also cant adopt, get sacked from jobs for being gay, they get spat on, they get assaulted even murdered just because of their sexuality, again I'm not trying to say that it's anything as bad as racial oppression but gays have it a lot worse than you realise.


Words are words...you can interpret it anyway you'd like honestly. I noticed you went on the defense because i said they and lopped them all in the same group but it's not any different than you calling every conservative person in this country - vile, stupid, uneducated, and backwards for voting Republican. I can guarantee you there are plenty out there who don't agree 100% of every issue, some might be fiscal conservative /socially moderate or whatever.. There use to be a time when we were more respectful of other peoples opinions - now it seems like people are fighting because their opinions are different.

Another thing - many bring up the bible reference from the old testament in the Hebrew Bible - i suggest looking at this:

https://en.wikipedia...d_homosexuality

It helps shed some light on the issue.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 09:49

I couldn't hear everything that was said in the video, but the only things I can see in that video that are wrong is what they wrote in chalk on the floor and that face and noise the guy pulled between 0:25 and 0:27. All I could hear them say in the video was that the Bible is immoral, the preacher is a hypocrite, and that they hate God. Did they say anything that could be deemed wrong or abuse?

The preacher is preaching unjust intolerance and attempting to convince people that oppression is okay, so these people informed the preacher that he's being hypocritical (which is likely, due to what else the Old Testament states, but they shouldn't have stated that with certainty unless they know something we don't), that his book is immoral, and that they hate the god that he believes would like to see people oppressed.

Obviously, if the preacher is allowed to preach terrible things, these people should be allowed to preach the opposite to him. Of course, they should do so without attacking him or abusing him, though. I certainly don't agree with what they wrote in chalk. But as I say, I can't understand what they're saying in some of the video, so if they were abusing him by what they said, please could someone inform me of what they said that was abuse or wrong?

Edited by Calum, 05 August 2012 - 10:24. Reason: Added the part about the face and noise.


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Posted 05 August 2012 - 10:29

Well if you want to get down to the science part of it what makes homosexuality in nature normal? [. . .]

We risk this thread becoming off-topic, by discussing same-sex attraction in general, but it's as simple as the following: same-sex attraction (what you refer to as 'homosexuality') is natural because attraction is a natural feeling which people cannot consciously change. It's silly when people bring up gay sex in the debate as to whether "homosexuality" is natural or not because attraction is different to sex, and as it's the attraction people feel that leads them to want to have sex, everyone in this debate should be looking at whether the attraction is natural or not (which, as I explain, it is).

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 11:32

I am fully convinced that man, as a whole, is an incredibly flawed and self-centered bag of stupid.

I seriously doubt most of the people protesting have had folks get in their face and scream at them, like they do to others. It is shameful that they, in a quest for acceptance instead turn to anger, hate, and belittlement like they say they receive. When you cannot rise above what you claim to fight, you have already failed.

Shameful no matter what the cause.


while all dem fancy words means well sometimes the only way to fight fire is wid AN EXPLOSIIIAANNN (yes it is all purposely mis-spelt )

but seriously I am with the gays they have been bashed enough (lol unintentional pun) .... for years they have been repressed and treated like crap why should they not be angry? sometimes it is hard to keep your head above water when people are pushing you down.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 14:00

Try burning the bible in front of any religious preachers talking about homosexual immorality or some stupid thing like that.
That should make such a person go away.


How childish....maybe you should just fall down and kick and scream until you get your way? Burning a copy of the Bible wouldn't draw the same ire as it does with other religions.

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