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Windows 8 is the first OS that made me downgrade

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Win8 was designed around a computer paradigm shift, not previous versions of windows. Wait until it launches with touchscreen ultrabooks and then see how you feel about the OS.

Agreed on current hardware it offers nothing more than Win7 can.

Exactly this. Windows Icons Mouse and Pointer are dead. There is NO going back, it really is as simple as that.

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I wonder if people reacted the same way to 95 / NT4 and the new Taskbar / Start Menu. Did people swear to not give up Program Manager until it was pried from their cold dead hands? Some people still cling to it.

If you do not like Windows 8:

1) Keep using Windows XP or Windows 7.

a. Microsoft will likely not support Windows 7 nearly as long as they supported XP.

b. Eventually software/hardware support will force you to chose between current technology or sticking with what is compatible with your OS of choice.

c. It is possible that Microsoft could add the classic Start Menu back in to Windows at some point, but I wouldn't bet on it.

2) Switch to Mac or a different PC OS.

a. The grass always looks greener on the other side.

b. It's not. The problems will not be the same, but they will exist nonetheless.

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I am worried.

I have been concerned that this version of Windows is nothing more than a pointless makeover and have sworn that I won't be swayed by the opinion others - and that I will form my own opinions.

But it's hard not to listen to comments from folks like Vice several pages back, who make very good points, and be alarmed at where Windows is going. The point about lacking a feature like Time Machine is a very good one.. there are folks on here who simply cannot see past their fanboyism and cannot concede that Apple make ANYTHING good. However as an ex-iMac owner, I did used to use Time Machine and it was AWESOME. It's a great feature. Why have Microsoft not implemented anything as good as this to make backups something you simply do not need to think about? Why are they concentrating on visual guff when there are other features which could be getting written, that are not?

Again.. I'll reserve judgement till I try it. But I am not feeling good about it..

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new features well to start with

- Start screen, easier and more organized view of your favorite pinned apps (don't compare it to all apps, that's another layer in). With the ability to sort your apps into named groups.

- Metro apps and -

- App store

- New task manager

- Overall far better performance.

- better function for detecting new apps that can open file types

- updated graphics driver model, now you get DWM(aero) even in software/classic mode

- Far improved Multi monitor support

- New restore functions, enabling a full reset to factory standards on all installations with no fuss.

- Live accoutn and cloud features built in.

- Sync your desktop across computers/devices

- Storage spaces

- faster boot time.

And much more.

Vista didn't bomb, and before 7 was the fastest selling windows OS. Just because you didn't like what was a perfectly good OS doesn't mean it bombed.

Ignoring Metro, just concentrating on Desktop, Windows 7 to Windows 8 looks like much more of an upgrade than Vista SP1 to 7 to me.

I am worried.

I have been concerned that this version of Windows is nothing more than a pointless makeover and have sworn that I won't be swayed by the opinion others - and that I will form my own opinions.

But it's hard not to listen to comments from folks like Vice several pages back, who make very good points, and be alarmed at where Windows is going. The point about lacking a feature like Time Machine is a very good one.. there are folks on here who simply cannot see past their fanboyism and cannot concede that Apple make ANYTHING good. However as an ex-iMac owner, I did used to use Time Machine and it was AWESOME. It's a great feature. Why have Microsoft not implemented anything as good as this to make backups something you simply do not need to think about? Why are they concentrating on visual guff when there are other features which could be getting written, that are not?

I suspect you haven't read about Windows 8's new File History feature at all? It does everything Time Machine can, in a simpler and more streamlined manner. For that matter, Windows Vista had Previous Versions and Backup features as well.

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Obviously, OP never used Vista.

Now, THERE was a great reason to downgrade, which is EXACTLY why Windows XP is still hanging on so well. Windows 7 is sweet and will probably be around longer than XP, if the masses feel the same about Windows 8 as they did about Vista, which I DO see happening!

Personally,

I could go either way on Windows 8. It's NOT the cat's meow so much so that I will be upgrading any time soon though. I also feel like MS is just cashing in on the tablet thing, which I can't them for, but there is absolutely NO reason for a new OS already, period! MS should just buy Lindows, if that's still around. Then they would have a reason to be coming out with a new OS every 6 freaking months!!

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I suspect you haven't read about Windows 8's new File History feature at all? It does everything Time Machine can, in a simpler and more streamlined manner. For that matter, Windows Vista had Previous Versions and Backup features as well.

Great! So I just plug in an external drive and say "Use this for backups" and don't have to do anything else?

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Here is a good list of the features and configuration options removed from 8:

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Well good for you <snipped>. But going back to 1995 is a Wast of time because doing so your missing out on all the improvements 2012 has to Offer and i will post them for you from another users

new features well to start with

- Start screen, easier and more organized view of your favorite pinned apps (don't compare it to all apps, that's another layer in). With the ability to sort your apps into named groups.

- Metro apps and -

- App store

- New task manager

- Overall far better performance.

- better function for detecting new apps that can open file types

- updated graphics driver model, now you get DWM(aero) even in software/classic mode

- Far improved Multi monitor support

- New restore functions, enabling a full reset to factory standards on all installations with no fuss.

- Live accoutn and cloud features built in.

- Sync your desktop across computers/devices

- Storage spaces

- faster boot time.

And much more.

So many things more you will miss out on . Sorry to Hear <snipped> that you had Trouble copping with Change and new technologies and things related to it but i guess the Future is not for your <snipped> mind.

It doesn't work for you on the Desktop cause your still stuck on the logon Boot screen trying to figure out how to log in to your system . Took me all of 3 sec to figure that out and took me all of 3 mins to figure Metro out and how to multi-task with it and how to name groups of apps and icons and all that very simple and works very well for K/M despite what you think

1995? What drugs are you taking lol.. Look you like Windows 8 and It's not for me, I don't need you to list whats better about it because I already know.. However I feel there not changes I require, want or need.. End of basically.

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something happened to me when i installed the RTM, the graphics drivers hadn't been installed so the resolution wasn't very high, and while i was downloading updated drivers I tried out the music app and it said it didn't support low resolutions and wouldn't start.... i suppose its not a big deal, i just found it odd they'd put a limit on it...

completely off topic I see that the next version of android will have multi-user and even android 4.1 has safe mode ha... if they made support for desktop architecture it would be fun to try out, been so customizable and all :)

1995? What drugs are you taking lol.. Look you like Windows 8 and It's not for me, I don't need you to list whats better about it because I already know.. However I feel there not changes I require, want or need.. End of basically.

agree with you completely, we who don't like are attacked for some reason by those who do. It's like they're afraid it will fail or somethin :p , i'll be skipping it too (first time i've ever skipped one) and this is coming from someone used Windows ME for a full year lol ...

... oh and its not that we can't use it, we can use it fine, its that we don't like it....

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I don't understand why people bragging about using Windows since 3.11 have problems using Windows 8. I use Windows since 95 and I must say even metro is very diferente from what we are used to, it's not difficult at all for me to work with. In fact, with only one day use I'm adapting very well. I'm sure the average user will have a hard time, but it's all part of the evolution. If Microsoft does not take risks we were still using some form of Windows 98 or 3.11. I for one am enjoying Windows 8 even there are some things I dont like. It will improve and Windows 9 will be better.

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I think the sad thing is that a lot of people have a real aversion to change on any sort of scale.

People didn't like (and still don't) the ribbon UI on Office. And yet, once you've gotten used to it, it's far more productive than the old menu system.

People complained about the superbar.

People complained when they changed the XP start menu.

When I first saw the changes in Windows 8, I was very suspicious. But you know what? I tried it. I didn't give up after five minutes, I didn't give up after 30 minutes. I used it for a week and then I went back to Windows 7. That was a couple of months ago. You know what? I still miss the setup I had on Windows 8 with the start screen. Because I had properly learnt how to use it, find the tips and productivity boosts, and now Windows 7 falls short.

Does that mean Windows 7 is bad? No, it's fantastic.

It just means that people who say "Windows 8 only works properly on tablets" or "Windows 8 kills productivity" are just being close-minded and irrational. They haven't tried the OS with an open-mind or neutral opinion. They've gone in thinking it's crap, and then immediately looked for everything they can no longer do / find in the same way and said "this sucks because I have to spend 30 seconds learning a new way around the OS."

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By the way, why does it say "Windows 7 File Recovery" in Windows 8 RTM control panel?

The Windows team really doesn't care for detail or they simply lack the expertise. They roughly implemented the general idea and pretty much stopped there.

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Cool... looks like I'll have to do some tinkering as I don't use the built-in Windows folder structure for storing my files - everything resides on another drive. But it looks like it has potential.

Thanks :)

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It's nice that we all have other options, like GNU/Linux, XP, or Windows 7, though my preference is GNU/Linux because I get the latest updates without worrying about whether the system is going to get locked down or rendered unusable like Windows 8.

If something about Linux irks me, I just change to another distro, desktop environment, or another app. It's so much better when there are lots of choices. There's something for everyone. I can't stand the one glove fits all approach that Microsoft takes, especially when it shoves the touch orientated startscreen down desktop users' throats.

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Windows 8 will go down as the biggest fail in the tech world.

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especially when it shoves the touch orientated startscreen down desktop users' throats.

People tend to complain both ways.

Had MS skipped the touch functionality, the same folks would scream about Apple's superiority and how it is light years away when it comes to touch.

And I expect to use my desktop with touch capabilities in the near future. So MS is just being pro-active here as they've already embedded this tech into their OS before the manufacturers could come up with such screens on large scale.

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Also lets spend practically all our time porting that UI over and offer almost no other new features - No Time Machine, iTunes or iCloud competitor, no one needs those anyways what they need is giant boxes and an extra toolbox in Explorer!"

When slagging something off, it usually helps to actually know what you're talking about. You clearly don't, so I suggest you do some reading.

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Do people really want touch on desktop screens though? Of course on a tablet / mobile device it's essential - but in terms of using my PC I find the keyboard and mouse a powerful and comfortable way of interacting. I don't feel the urge to reach across the desk and start wiping my fingers across the screen.. it'll make it messy and it'll be uncomfortable.

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I remember this argument the first time around... When Microsoft did away with program groups and forced everyone to use this stupid icon in the lower left corner that said Start. I've been using the release preview and I have no issues at all with Metro. I didn't use the start button much anymore and I'm glad it's gone to be honest. Business will adopt it, programmers will write applications for it, and the world will move on. With or without those who dislike it. Change is inevitable, and people tend to resist it.

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Do people really want touch on desktop screens though? Of course on a tablet / mobile device it's essential - but in terms of using my PC I find the keyboard and mouse a powerful and comfortable way of interacting. I don't feel the urge to reach across the desk and start wiping my fingers across the screen.. it'll make it messy and it'll be uncomfortable.

I'd like an OS that's portable and desktopable without being two separate OSes (e.g. iOS and OSX)... the touch part isn't important, but you have to go with the lowest common denominator UI if that's how you're going to use the OS.

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Do people really want touch on desktop screens though? Of course on a tablet / mobile device it's essential - but in terms of using my PC I find the keyboard and mouse a powerful and comfortable way of interacting. I don't feel the urge to reach across the desk and start wiping my fingers across the screen.. it'll make it messy and it'll be uncomfortable.

Maybe not on your desktop screen per se, but when your whole table becomes your desktop...I wouldn't say no to a toy like this and I'm patiently waiting for the moment when the manufactures catch up! :D The software to run this thing is already here!

iDesk-Table-MultiTouch.jpg

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You've been using WIndows for 20 years and you dont know Alt+Tab or Win+Tab?

Note that the complaints are *entirely* aesthetics/comfort-driven. It's not about backward-compatibility, or even usability. It's that it's not Windows 7 Service Pack 2.

They would rather have seen WindowsRT try (and fail) to justify itself all alone against Android and iOS (and the failure would be for obvious reasons), but they really don't care. They would rather see Microsoft (and Windows) lost marketshare to Android as opposed to actually rising to meet the challenge of Android.

Aren't these also a LOT of the same folks that have complained that things are *meh* as far as operating systems, applications, games, and whatnot? So what happens when Microsoft actually gets a clue and changes things? "You changed - therefore I'll stand pat."

Sheesh.

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Sounds like a disgruntled windows user. I heard 2013 will be the year of the Linux. See you there!

I can play my games, like Diablo 3, Skyrim, and Battlefield 3 on Linux now? Yikes, sign me up!

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something happened to me when i installed the RTM, the graphics drivers hadn't been installed so the resolution wasn't very high, and while i was downloading updated drivers I tried out the music app and it said it didn't support low resolutions and wouldn't start.... i suppose its not a big deal, i just found it odd they'd put a limit on it...

completely off topic I see that the next version of android will have multi-user and even android 4.1 has safe mode ha... if they made support for desktop architecture it would be fun to try out, been so customizable and all :)

agree with you completely, we who don't like are attacked for some reason by those who do. It's like they're afraid it will fail or somethin :p , i'll be skipping it too (first time i've ever skipped one) and this is coming from someone used Windows ME for a full year lol ...

... oh and its not that we can't use it, we can use it fine, its that we don't like it....

And yet Android has every feature you loathe about Windows 8 (but also lacks the backward-compatibility that has you hanging on to Windows 7 for dear life) so why Android as opposed to Windows 8, huh?

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