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[ChrisJ1968]

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Colorado: Three eyewitnesses to the Batman massacre say they saw someone sitting in the front row receive a phone call, immediately walk to the emergency exit, and open the door for the gunman to enter. [Yet, police say with a straight face that there is no reason to believe that the gunman had accomplices1] YouTube posted 2012 Aug 7

Yet the Authorities try to cover this fact up.

[Solid Knight]

ChrisJ1968, on 10 August 2012 - 22:55, said:

Yet the Authorities try to cover this fact up.

There's a security camera that points right at the exits from the outside. I used to work at that theater.

[mudslag]

The first voice you hear on the phone and the young black man you see and hear in the following segment sound like the same person. I point this out as some might take it as being 3 witnesses instead of two. Not saying it is the same just that it sounds the same. Before putting jumping on the bandwagon there are still a lot of unanswered questions to this conspiracy. Where were they sitting? Can they be 100% positive it was a phone call they think he got? Part of their story matches up with what we know, that he got up and went to the exit where he had his things.

Prior to this shooting, everyone there was highly interested in seeing Batman that night. Given that, my money is that most people's attention was focused on the screen more so then Holmes and what he was doing. I would think he was more of a distraction to the focus, the movie, then the entire focus prior to him shooting. The point being it would be easy for people to kind of fill in the blanks of what they "thought" while they are still trying to focus in on what was going on on the screen.


Basically to many unanswered questions to jump on the "it wasn't a lone gunman" wagon.

[theyarecomingforyou]

What it is with Americans and their obsession with conspiracy theories? The US really is one of the most paranoid nations on the planet.

Even if somebody did leave the theatre through the front door it doesn't necessarily mean there was an accomplice. The person could have been coerced - for instance, he could have received a call telling him that his girlfriend would be shot if he didn't do exactly as he was told. Even so, can't people just let the police do their job? The police will be aware of the lead but may be deliberately keeping it quiet so as to not alert the suspect that they're onto him.

[ahhell]

I'm shocked that this wasn't posted by Hum.

[Solid Knight]

theyarecomingforyou, on 11 August 2012 - 01:15, said:

Even if somebody did leave the theatre through the front door it doesn't necessarily mean there was an accomplice. The person could have been coerced - for instance, he could have received a call telling him that his girlfriend would be shot if he didn't do exactly as he was told. Even so, can't people just let the police do their job? The police will be aware of the lead but may be deliberately keeping it quiet so as to not alert the suspect that they're onto him.

Or his reason for leaving could have been entirely unrelated.

[Simon-]

So the Youtube video interviews the same guy twice who thinks he saw someone else go to the emergency exit, and a third guy who thinks that someone else must have opened the emergency exit for him. Then the Youtube video repeats the Police statement so make it sound like a conspiracy.

Another crappy Youtube conspiracy theory video.

Next thing they will say it was the CIA/Aliens/The Jews/Chickens who let him in.

It has already been established that he propped the door open himself so he could get back in. Why would he need an accomplice if he already has access.

Even if there was a second person who took a phone call near the exit, there is nothing unusual about this as this would be the maximum distance away from the noise of everyone else talking (before the movie has started of course) without having to actually leave the cinemas itself (which you would do if the movie has already started). Even if he went outside, the chances of doing this are much higher if you can see that the door is already cracked open so there is no fear of setting off fire alarms & that it "must be ok to use this door" because it's already open anyway.

[theyarecomingforyou]

Solid Knight, on 11 August 2012 - 01:20, said:

Or his reason for leaving could have been entirely unrelated.

Or that. Though people tend not to leave through emergency exits.

Simon-, on 11 August 2012 - 01:28, said:

It has already been established that he propped the door open himself so he could get back in. Why would he need an accomplice if he already has access.

I hadn't heard that, though it sounds logical considering that it was a very planned attack. The police have a lot more information than random YouTube video creators and they should be trusted to come to the correct conclusion.

[Javik]

I'll believe it when I see the police charge him. Until then it's just an unproven theory.

[Solid Knight]

theyarecomingforyou, on 11 August 2012 - 01:39, said:

Or that. Though people tend not to leave through emergency exits.

Most don't but it's not uncommon.

[KingCracker]

theyarecomingforyou, on 11 August 2012 - 01:15, said:

What it is with Americans and their obsession with conspiracy theories? The US really is one of the most paranoid nations on the planet.

Even if somebody did leave the theatre through the front door it doesn't necessarily mean there was an accomplice. The person could have been coerced - for instance, he could have received a call telling him that his girlfriend would be shot if he didn't do exactly as he was told. Even so, can't people just let the police do their job? The police will be aware of the lead but may be deliberately keeping it quiet so as to not alert the suspect that they're onto him.

I stopped reading when you said, "what is it with Americans and their obsession with conspiracy theories?" Nice generalization..

[mudslag]

KingCracker, on 11 August 2012 - 01:55, said:

I stopped reading when you said, "what is it with Americans and their obsession with conspiracy theories?" Nice generalization..

Actually as an American, I think it's closer to home then you are willing to admit. We have tv and radio shows dedicated to conspiracies. Along with someone attempting to create a conspiracy for many of the cases similar to this one.


Here is a decent list of conspiracies, many if not most revolve around America in some fashion. That't not saying conspiracies don't expand outside of the US but it's foolish to think we aren't in the lead in some aspect relating to conspiracies in general. That also doesn't mean Americans as a whole believe in them, I think Americans are most likely the largest source for them.

http://rationalwiki....piracy_theories

[DirtyLarry]

Ummm, I thought it was already explained it was actually the dude that did the shooting? That he went out with the phone call, changed real quick, and then did his ultimate act of cowardice?

[KingCracker]

mudslag, on 11 August 2012 - 03:15, said:

Actually as an American, I think it's closer to home then you are willing to admit. We have tv and radio shows dedicated to conspiracies. Along with someone attempting to create a conspiracy for many of the cases similar to this one.


Here is a decent list of conspiracies, many if not most revolve around America in some fashion. That't not saying conspiracies don't expand outside of the US but it's foolish to think we aren't in the lead in some aspect relating to conspiracies in general. That also doesn't mean Americans as a whole believe in them, I think Americans are most likely the largest source for them.

http://rationalwiki....piracy_theories

I'm not fascinated by conspiracy theories, I don't even watch tv.

[compl3x]

KingCracker, on 11 August 2012 - 01:55, said:

I stopped reading when you said, "what is it with Americans and their obsession with conspiracy theories?" Nice generalization..

It does seem like the overwhelming amount of conspiracy theories do come out of the U.S. It's not an insult, and it might be a skewed perception because American culture and news spreads worldwide.