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[Ambroos]

It still remains that all phones don't have to look like an iPhone. Sony's smartphones have all been consistently and significantly different from the iPhone.

Samsung unmistakenly chose to mimic the iPhone in several aspects, and I'm glad they're getting at least some resistance from someone. Aside the high-end models most Samsung smartphones are incredibly crappy too.

[tsupersonic]

DARKFiB3R, on 22 August 2012 - 16:15, said:

See the similarities? Nobody is going to confuse the two, are they? Yet it is a widely held view, that Beetle's look like Porsche's

You couldn't have used a worse example. First, the 911 is originally based off the Beetle design. Second, Porsche is owned by VW. The 911's basic look has remained more or less the same - follows the Beetle design. Sure they have modernized it, but it's underlying roots are preserved.

[DARKFiB3R]

tsupersonic, on 22 August 2012 - 16:19, said:

You couldn't have used a worse example. First, the 911 is originally based off the Beetle design. Second, Porsche is owned by VW. The 911's basic look has remained more or less the same - follows the Beetle design. Sure they have modernized it, but it's underlying roots are preserved.

Better?

I should have said Porsche's look like Beetle's, not the other way around. And the current ownership doesn't have anything to do with it, as these two pictures demonstrate. (they didn't own them back then, right?)

[Boz]

paulheu, on 22 August 2012 - 15:22, said:

You obviously have never seen a nano or a Lumia in real life.. Besides being a rectangle outline from the front they are _nothing_ alike.

You obviously never seen an iPhone or Samsung phones in reali life.. Besides rounded corners from the front Samsung phones are nothing alike.. They are bigger, thinner, multiple buttons, different materials, different visuals, using different OS with very different functionality. There are some similarities but this is a case in any industry.

See how that goes?

That's the whole point of why Apple's claims are ridiculous

[Hell-In-A-Handbasket]

DARKFiB3R, on 22 August 2012 - 16:15, said:

See the similarities? Nobody is going to confuse the two, are they? Yet it is a widely held view, that Beetle's look like Porsche's

same company, and for a time Beetle's had Porsche engines

and the first VW Beelte was designed by the Creator of Porsche in 1969 Ferdinand Porsche


so yea, still bad example

[HawkMan]

First things first. Wile there are iPod nano to lumia similarities, they are also completely different, the causing has completely different curve and profile. There far more similarities between thei iPhone and samsung phones

Secondly, and more importantly, you're still not understanding what the case is about. But then I've openly splined to you like 4 times and every time you disappear from the thread pretending you forgot it existed and you never saw it.

IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT ONE THING. Turn on the lumia and put it next to an iPhone, oh look at that, not only is the outside different the whole system is completely different. In fact if the samsungs in question had run WP. There wouldn't have been a case because only certain arts of the case would violate the patent, not the many many many violations in the OS and graphicl design as well.

You can't look at the case on a piece by piece basis and say this is not enough, when it's all of it together. But oh we'll you're going to ignore tis and disappear and pretend you never saw it again.

[BajiRav]

Boz, on 22 August 2012 - 16:40, said:

using different OS with very different functionality.

I would personally never confuse a Samsung Galaxy line phone with iPhone but that is just bull****. They are functionally very identical (if not the same).

[DARKFiB3R]

Hell-In-A-Handbasket, on 22 August 2012 - 16:55, said:

same company, and for a time Beetle's had Porsche engines

and the first VW Beelte was designed by the Creator of Porsche in 1969 Ferdinand Porsche


so yea, still bad example

Did not know that, thanks for setting me straight.

But it's still two objects that look totally different, more so than the lumia/nano, but people can still see the similarities, that's the point I was trying to make.

[Hell-In-A-Handbasket]

DARKFiB3R, on 22 August 2012 - 17:40, said:

Did not know that, thanks for setting me straight.

But it's still two objects that look totally different, more so than the lumia/nano, but people can still see the similarities, that's the point I was trying to make.

i didnt know about being designed by Ferdinand either until earlier today either. but knew about the engines and company thing.

[Boz]

BajiRav, on 22 August 2012 - 17:02, said:

I would personally never confuse a Samsung Galaxy line phone with iPhone but that is just bull****. They are functionally very identical (if not the same).

And anyone who have used for more then 30 mins each OS clearly saw they are nothing alike. Have maybe similar things like swipes and pinches and basically human gestures to do actions (again something Apple should have not been allowed to patent, ever), but the two OSes couldn't be more different.. actually if anything Apple is the one who is bringing iOS to feel more like Android with notifications and other things and not the other way around.

[+techbeck]

What happens if Samsung redesigns their phone with corners like the Nokia/Sony phones? They will get sued by Nokia and or Samsung for the same thing...design copying. What other shape can samsung choose? Circular phones?

There are only so many ways to make a phone and it is stupid as hell to sue over a shape.

[+techbeck]

Hell-In-A-Handbasket, on 22 August 2012 - 15:08, said:

This is just the one i can remember offhand, and its just the Front Grile of a SUV

http://www.usatoday....2-15-grille.htm

There have been other lawsuits because 1 producers CORN, yes the **** you eat on the cob, was to close DNA wise to anothers. ( remember the living thing copyright i said earlier? )

The Apple Samsung lawsuit isnt new to any industry, but i will agree the fact that Apple is involved makes it more high profile, but its nothing new

Of course there are lawsuits in other areas, was not my point. And providing a case from 11 years ago really doesn't do nothing. You have one company suing another where as with the smart phone industry, several companies are suing each other. Not even a close comparison.

And I loved on of Apples lawyers closing remarks...stating that if the Jury sides with Apple, that the jury will be re validating the US patent system. The patent system is messed up and anyone can see that. Its just companies that are abusing the system think everything is fine as long as their pockets are lined with gold. If Apple wins, the companies Xiaomi and Acer will be sued next.

This case really isnt between Apple and Samsung. Its between Apple and Android and Apple will not stop with Samsung.

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[.fahim]

As someone who has mistaken a Galaxy S (the original one) for an iPhone in the past, I can understand where Apple are coming from. Samsung have also worked hard to make TouchWiz very iOS like, so hope they get what they deserve.

I don't think S2 (and variants) or S3 industrial design is similar - and hence Apple don't have a case on these models.

[-Razorfold]

Hell-In-A-Handbasket, on 22 August 2012 - 16:55, said:

same company, and for a time Beetle's had Porsche engines

and the first VW Beelte was designed by the Creator of Porsche in 1969 Ferdinand Porsche


so yea, still bad example

Bit of a mistake there

The first beetle was made in 1930s by Ferdinand Porsche because Hitler wanted a Volkswagen (german for People's car).

[HawkMan]

techbeck, on 22 August 2012 - 18:47, said:

What happens if Samsung redesigns their phone with corners like the Nokia/Sony phones? They will get sued by Nokia and or Samsung for the same thing...design copying. What other shape can samsung choose? Circular phones?

There are only so many ways to make a phone and it is stupid as hell to sue over a shape.

It not just the shape, again.

It's the shape, the fact the bezel distances was copied, the home button, the icons, the icon layout, the unlock,++++