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#16 episode

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 21:31

I believe that Jesus of Nazareth existed, he was a minister and that he was crucified. But I don't believe that he was the able to cure the blind, walk on water or was the son of god.


Changed it to how I feel.

But how come all of you are explaining what 1 guy said without having actual proof that he said it? Those who wrote the bible didn't even have direct contact with Jesus. If you agree with those quotes it's one thing but in an age where proof is so important why do people tend to overlook it when it comes to religion/religious figures?


Same reason that people believe Julius Caesar, Socrates, etc existed.


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Posted 27 August 2012 - 21:34

Same reason that people believe Julius Caesar, Socrates, etc existed.


We can agree that there is a ton of evidence of Caesar's existence and what he represented.

Is there similar evidence of Jesus's existence 2000 years ago? Of the miracles he did? Will you show me bible passages as proof?

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 21:39

Or the basis of Martin Luther about the church, which caused the reformation.
Along the lines you have a personal relationship, and the church is not necessary.

What happened with the reformation, is a the time, people believed in the divine right of kings,
Others used this to try and topple the divine right of kings. Which caused a lot of strife.
In essence he had an idea that sparked others to act in way he may of never thought / intended.

This is a very abridged summary.


The divine right of kings is an idea that came out of the Protestant Reformation, not something that was overturned by it. It essentially it justified a shift in power away from the Vatican and towards local monarchs and princes.

Originally, the theory was that people should accept monarchs as long as they acted in accord with moral laws -- which were defined by the Church. If the monarch acted in a way in which the Church determined was out of line with moral, Christian rule, they would excommunicate him, and this would give the authority to others to overthrow him.

Protestants, however, supported the argument that the monarch had a spiritual relationship to their subjects, and was not bound by the Pope. This was what was meant by 'divine right'. The argument was still that they had to act morally with their power, but that the Church had no special say in the matter.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 21:46

i believe in a God or higher power, it may not be the same god you or anybody else believes in, i also believe in evolution above creationism, and think creationism is just a load of bull. the earth did not just pop in a couple thousand years ago. now it is possible ( i said possible ) that a " god " like entity created the big bang, mainly because nothing can explain the big bang or before.

Jesus is not God, God is not Jesus.

all in all i think the majority of religions of the world are bull****, i don't know the correct religion. but until the god-like entity comes from wherever and tells me what to do, i will continue to do what i feel is best not just for me, but for others as well. i refuse to follow a religion that contradicts itself on a daily basis, or a religion who's followers do not follow the rules of their religion, but are happy to preach and yell about others not following it ( pot calling kettle black, or bigotry )

as far as Jesus but no religion, im sure thousands of years ago there was a Jesus, heck i know at least 2 of them so far living now. as far as what Jesus of that time did, they are all stories, probally exaggerated. im shure 3000 years from now, people will read stories of Steve Irwin and Chuck Norris and think they were gods / sons of god

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 22:04

Jesus is a proven historical person.


No.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 22:17

Jesus is a proven historical person.


no its not proven, the only proof is from a book that was written AFTER he supposedly died from documents of people that knew him. they know the king that crucified him existed, but that king was in power years after the supposed crucification i think.
its a issue, i think, that's the same of , he said her friend's cousin's sister thing.

Jesus is the son of god the same that religion preaches that we are all " children of god ", although it might be a different meaning, but in all honesty how many times has the bible been written and rewritten and changed.

the bible said " thow shall not kill " its not based on certian stipulations, its says SHALL NOT. not " Shall not kill UNLESS they believe diffrent, or behave diffrent. if so then feel free to kill them "
" Love Thy Neighbor " not " Love thy neighbor ONLY IF they share the same sexual prefrence, or belive in same god "

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 22:54

Jesus is chill, just hung out with him the other day. Getting pretty good at English I must say after all this time.

I like to think those fairytales are a bit brutal and religion shouldn't be introduced until after elementary school. But its easier to teach children religion and not to question than have to try to explain non-sense when they understand. you don't have to be religious to have beliefs either. Beliefs can be beneficial if justified. If you believe jesus died for your sins, you may have the time of your life.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 23:42

No.


Pretty much every serious, mainstream historian will disagree with you on that. One alternative document that springs to mind is Josephus. There are a couple of mentions of Jesus in his writings that may not be authentic, but there are also some which are considered to be original. See this: http://en.wikipedia....sephus_on_Jesus

And also, why would anyone make up an extremely poor, pacifistic man with unpopular views who died a humiliating death as their god?

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 23:51

Religion is a man made thing. They take an event, add structure and classes to it, and then claim the event is holy and their word about it is infallible.You can pretty much believe anything and not have religion involved in it at all.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 23:55

Isn't the story of Jesus told in the bible, which is a religious book itself?


Very easy, I believe in Jesus Christ as my Saviour, I'm also smart enough to know that most Churches don't actually follow the teachings of Jesus and are generally in it for the money or to control those that don't pay attention or those who haven't actually read the Bible. I've been to many "Christian" churches of varying denominations, and they are all generally driven by greed or control, so I choose to avoid them all

And don't get me started on this whole "unquestionable Word of God" bit, the Bible has been mis translated for centuries to accommodate whoever was in charge at the moment, it's an interesting read, has tons of good stuff in it, but it sure as hell isn't some "Sacred Scripture" like many claim, and neither are any other religious texts

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 00:08

Very easy, I believe in Jesus Christ as my Saviour, I'm also smart enough to know that most Churches don't actually follow the teachings of Jesus and are generally in it for the money or to control those that don't pay attention or those who haven't actually read the Bible. I've been to many "Christian" churches of varying denominations, and they are all generally driven by greed or control, so I choose to avoid them all

And don't get me started on this whole "unquestionable Word of God" bit, the Bible has been mis translated for centuries to accommodate whoever was in charge at the moment, it's an interesting read, has tons of good stuff in it, but it sure as hell isn't some "Sacred Scripture" like many claim, and neither are any other religious texts

you believe in Jesus but not not any of the writings? :) how does that even make sense?

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 00:20

What about the new Monkey Jesus?
I know I'm seriously thinking about worshipping him.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 00:24

Pretty much every serious, mainstream historian will disagree with you on that. One alternative document that springs to mind is Josephus. There are a couple of mentions of Jesus in his writings that may not be authentic, but there are also some which are considered to be original. See this: http://en.wikipedia....sephus_on_Jesus

And also, why would anyone make up an extremely poor, pacifistic man with unpopular views who died a humiliating death as their god?

None of that is proof, which is what xpablo stated exists. It may be a consensus among historians that he probably existed, but there is no actual proof of his existence.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 00:30

Jesus never existed in real life, he only existed in a mythical realm... at least according to the founder of Christianity.

"If Jesus had been on earth, he would not even have been a priest." Hebrews 8:4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvzGA_xFlC8

When you actually do the research the likelihood of Jesus ever existing is extremely small.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 00:33

you believe in Jesus but not not any of the writings? :) how does that even make sense?


I said it wasn't any kind of divine writings, God did not write the Bible, the Bible is a collection of writings inspired by God and Jesus's actions, not a hard concept to comprehend



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