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I know a guy who believes in Jesus but thinks religion is bull.

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#61 giantpotato


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 20:58

Believing in historical Jesus, is like believing in Atlantis, or the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, or other ancient stories. There's no definite proof they existed but they 'could' have existed. There's a difference between belief and knowledge, something doesn't have to be true to believe in it. I don't see anything wrong with OP's friend's thought process. I don't believe in religion, but I believe a guy named Jesus existed 2000 years ago.

The Bible could be compared to Harry Potter, but it could also be compared to Assassin's Creed.

Was Assassin's Creed true: No.
Were some of the characters in AC real: yes.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 21:46

First off, who said anything about the Bible? I was talking about historical fact (that a teacher named Jesus existed and was crucified in the early 30s AD. No one said anything else. Any serious scholar will tell you that that is considered to be factual, and that it is attested to by period secular documents.

Secondly, Buddha also existed, although he was quite a bit older than Christ. His name was Siddhattha Gotama, and most historians will back me up on that, too. Santa also existed. His name was Nikolaos of Myra, and he had a broken nose.

All too true. It's there in history books for all to find, if they could but read.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 21:50

All too true. It's there in history books for all to find, if they could but read.

But the history books are wrong! [/s] It's as bad as this, it's just that it's coming from the other end of the spectrum.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:10

I believe Jesus existed, but not the coming back to life etc.....

After that is too much supernatural and religious lark for me, which is all superstition and only for the weak to believe in (IMO)

Probably because He did not die, in the usual sense.

Christ had a 'stand-in', who was deluded (the man thought he was the Messiah), and died on the cross, in His place.

Christ then abandoned His physical body (because few believed He was still alive), and took on a 'psychic' body.

What you think of as 'supernatural' is actually the real condition of the Universe.

"All things are possible with God", is a very true passage in the Bible, and much of which is 'impossible' is only because you Believe so. ;)

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:29

Didn't the Quran also have references to Jesus? :p

Yes, because the Quran was written centuries after the bible and borrows heavily from it.

Anyway, so what if Jesus of Nazareth was a real person? He did nothing particularly special - a few boring magic tricks.
He wasn't even the first to come up with the "golden rule", (do unto others...)

It would be great if Jesus did come back. I can just imagine what would happen if he turned up in the Bible Belt. They would probably shoot him for looking like an "Ay-Rab", rather than the Bjorn Borg lookalike they want him to be.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:38

That's called a conspiracy theory.


I'm giving up. There's no point in debating with someone who hasn't actually researched his own religion.

As Neil DeGrasse Tyson said:

“One of the biggest problems with the world today is that we have large groups of people who will accept whatever they hear on the grapevine, just because it suits their worldview—not because it is actually true or because they have evidence to support it. The really striking thing is that it would not take much effort to establish validity in most of these cases… but people prefer reassurance to research.”

Or as it was once said...
I believe that the best way to become an atheist is to read the Bible. - Penn Jillette

#67 Mr Nom Nom's

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 17:09

Isn't the story of Jesus told in the bible, which is a religious book itself?

There is a book called 'Jesus for the non-Religious': http://www.amazon.co...g/dp/0060762071

There are many people who view Jesus as a Buddha like person who was wise but believe, and recently proven correct, that what we see in the form of the bible is little more than 'religion designed by a committee to suit a particular end goal'. Thomas Jefferson had his own bible too - stripped of all the super natural and gets to the core teachings of Jesus.