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[KingCracker]

FlintyV, on 01 September 2012 - 16:06, said:

I'd love to hear about that.

Well if you lived in the U.S and own a firearm you can take classes,

This guy is one of the most well respected trainers in the country he's based out of my state, hes a former police officer and did a few tours in Iraq and has trained Navy SEALS in his class. If you don't think training can help a person with his/her shooting skills then there's really no need to discuss anything with you.

[FlintyV]

KingCracker, on 01 September 2012 - 16:24, said:

Well if you lived in the U.S and own a firearm you can take classes,

This guy is one of the most well respected trainers in the country he's based out of my state, hes a former police officer and did a few tours in Iraq and has trained Navy SEALS in his class. If you don't think training can help a person with his/her shooting skills then there's really no need to discuss anything with you.

I presumed you were talking about the Anders Breivik case and wondered how training would have helped them. I think it's a sad statement when you feel you need training to protect yourself in your country..

[spy beef]

theyarecomingforyou, on 29 August 2012 - 14:48, said:

I don't see why this is considered a positive outcome by many here. Rather than apprehending the would-be robber and trying him in a court of law he was shot dead. Taking somebody's life is not an appropriate punishment for robbery. From what I can tell from the article the customer wasn't in any direct danger and had he done nothing he would have escaped without injury.

This isn't justice. This is vigilantism. The US is reverting to the Wild West. How long will it be until disputes are settled by duels in the middle of the street?

Tell that to Batman's parents.

[KingCracker]

FlintyV, on 01 September 2012 - 16:34, said:

I presumed you were talking about the Anders Breivik case and wondered how training would have helped them. I think it's a sad statement when you feel you need training to protect yourself in your country..

I think its sad that you think that people shouldn't prepare to protect themselves. The world isn't a safe place I don't care if you live in the U.K or U.S people are out to do you harm and if you don't prepare for those situations then you're asking to be hurt and taking such a sad stance on self defense only leads me to believe if you ever had to protect yourself from someone trying to do you harm you would fail miserably. Don't give me that B.S about I don't need to protect myself because that's exactly what it is B.S, its human nature for someone to try to harm or take advantage of someone else. It's always happened from the beginning of human life and it will continue to the end no matter what laws you have in place. People will find a way to do harm to each other whether there's a gun involved or not so telling me that you think its sad that I think training is a good thing tells me that you live in a fantasy world. You either live in a fantasy world oblivious to the real world or you don't get out much.

[FlintyV]

KingCracker, on 01 September 2012 - 17:16, said:

I think its sad that you think that people shouldn't prepare to protect themselves. The world isn't a safe place I don't care if you live in the U.K or U.S people are out to do you harm and if you don't prepare for those situations then you're asking to be hurt and taking such a sad stance on self defense only leads me to believe if you ever had to protect yourself from someone trying to do you harm you would fail miserably. Don't give me that B.S about I don't need to protect myself because that's exactly what it is B.S, its human nature for someone to try to harm or take advantage of someone else. It's always happened from the beginning of human life and it will continue to the end no matter what laws you have in place. People will find a way to do harm to each other whether there's a gun involved or not so telling me that you think its sad that I think training is a good thing tells me that you live in a fantasy world. You either live in a fantasy world oblivious to the real world or you don't get out much.

It's not B.S, it's your belief that you need training in self defense to live. To say it's human nature to try to harm someone is completely false and it really depends on what kinds people you're interacting with.

[KingCracker]

FlintyV, on 01 September 2012 - 18:51, said:

It's not B.S, it's your belief that you need training in self defense to live. To say it's human nature to try to harm someone is completely false and it really depends on what kinds people you're interacting with.

So you live in a country where there is ZERO violent crime? No gangs beating up people no stabbings? Yeah o.k, telling me that its sad to prepare yourself for violent confrontations tells me you're the kind of person that lives a life of denial, the it cant/won't happen to me syndrome.Preparing for the worst is never a bad idea and to say otherwise is wrong.

[FlintyV]

KingCracker, on 02 September 2012 - 02:17, said:

So you live in a country where there is ZERO violent crime? No gangs beating up people no stabbings? Yeah o.k, telling me that its sad to prepare yourself for violent confrontations tells me you're the kind of person that lives a life of denial, the it cant/won't happen to me syndrome.Preparing for the worst is never a bad idea and to say otherwise is wrong.

Did I ever say there's zero crime? No. Of course there's crime but I just don't see the need to seek out training from ex-military personnel to live a normal life.

[KingCracker]

FlintyV, on 02 September 2012 - 04:02, said:

Did I ever say there's zero crime? No. Of course there's crime but I just don't see the need to seek out training from ex-military personnel to live a normal life.

Whats normal to you might not be normal to someone else.

[bj55555]

Vigilantism is all fine and dandy until one of these times, the perp is able to grab a hostage before you decommission him. Now you're going to be in a position of giving up your weapon to save the life of a victim you needlessly put in harm's way and possibly giving up your own life in the process OR you're going to have to cause the death of the innocent victim in order to save your own life. Have fun, boys.

[Shane Nokes]

bj55555, on 02 September 2012 - 06:10, said:

Vigilantism is all fine and dandy until one of these times, the perp is able to grab a hostage before you decommission him. Now you're going to be in a position of giving up your weapon to save the life of a victim you needlessly put in harm's way and possibly giving up your own life in the process OR you're going to have to cause the death of the innocent victim in order to save your own life. Have fun, boys.

In that case you're still up on the count since letting this perp go could mean the death or harm of many others.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

[willgill]

The Laughing Man, on 29 August 2012 - 10:47, said:

“He’s always been a marksman,” his wife said. “He shoots in competitions, but this is the first time he’s ever killed anyone and I don’t know how he’ll handle that.”

So why did he fire 2 shots?, If he is a so called marksman was the arm/leg too difficult for this marksman to go after? (yes i know moving targets etc)

Because most training programs tell you to shoot 2 to the body, 1 to the head. You don't shoot an arm or leg because then they come back to sue you. Criminals have sued their victims for years. Little did they know their greed is now writing their death sentence.

One thug off the street saving the taxpayers hundreds of thousands in legal fees and incarceration. Nice work grandpa!

[willgill]

bj55555, on 02 September 2012 - 06:10, said:

Vigilantism is all fine and dandy until one of these times, the perp is able to grab a hostage before you decommission him. Now you're going to be in a position of giving up your weapon to save the life of a victim you needlessly put in harm's way and possibly giving up your own life in the process OR you're going to have to cause the death of the innocent victim in order to save your own life. Have fun, boys.

I've watched a lot of armed robberies. I don't recall any hostage situations. That's hollywood hype. Thugs usually just threaten with their weapon. They want cash, not casualties. Sometimes they come in guns blazing. In either case, I'd rather be armed than defenseless.

I'll pray for your negotiation/ duck and cover type tactic. If we're ever in that situation, feel free to hide behind me.

[sarena]

Nice tutorial, I think training is very important for a person to learn shooting skills.

[Houtei]

Damn don't you people know your not suppose to defend yourself until your dead. That way you can 100% for sure you did the right thing.

[Shadrack]

The Laughing Man, on 29 August 2012 - 10:47, said:

“He’s always been a marksman,” his wife said. “He shoots in competitions, but this is the first time he’s ever killed anyone and I don’t know how he’ll handle that.”

So why did he fire 2 shots?, If he is a so called marksman was the arm/leg too difficult for this marksman to go after? (yes i know moving targets etc)

Umm...probably because he shot someone who was armed. What the hell dude? Shoot someone who is armed in the leg and have them spray bullets all over the store? Are you mad? If you are going to shoot someone that is armed it better be a kill shot.