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What Killed the Linux Desktop (by GNOME founder Miguel de Icaza)

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#31 Routerbad

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 17:59

? Clearly you do not have a conceptual understanding for the richness of functionality and potential Linux holds. Using linux isn't painful, if you know what works and what doesn't, you should just get on fine. If you using linux to run a bunch of stuff in wine and then want to complain "ahh linux sucks, its all backwards" then fine. Just don't come here bashing something which you associate success with market share. Linux isn't a business model, its community isn't centred on pleasing customers, rather its loyal users and contributors. Had a bad experience? Suck it up, find out what went wrong and try to find a community fix or article on it. get on with life. Don't moan and cry about it calling linux users "only the masochists stuck with it."


Some of us have responsibilities beyond sitting at home, at our desks, away from our families, trying to figure out how to make something work. The last couple of times I tried linux distros I felt that most of what I wanted to get done worked without too much manual intervention, and I love CLI so I had no problem with doing it, but 99.99999% of potential users won't go through the hassle, and that's just what it is, even for 'power users'. I don't want to feel like I'm in a boxing match with my conputer to get something done. I just want to log in and work/play/browse, etc.


#32 threetonesun

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 18:00

The real thing that killed it is this: what program runs on Linux that is better than all other similar programs for OSX or Windows?

Personally, it's none. Many are ok, there are a few standouts (I run Inkscape in OSX), but there's nothing I would dedicate a boot drive or VM Linux for.

But, again, that's the exclusivity no one in Linux land wants. If, say, Steam only ran on Ubuntu, and there was a big push to make Ubuntu a desktop contender, a chunk of the Linux community still wouldn't support it.

#33 n_K

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 18:07

"The real thing that killed it is this: what program runs on Linux that is better than all other similar programs for OSX or Windows?"
For desktop users? Not much, open-gl is smoother, faster and less laggy than direct-3D.
For server users? Mostly everything is better on *nix.

#34 threetonesun

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 18:49

"The real thing that killed it is this: what program runs on Linux that is better than all other similar programs for OSX or Windows?"
For desktop users? Not much, open-gl is smoother, faster and less laggy than direct-3D.
For server users? Mostly everything is better on *nix.


Open gl runs everywhere, though. And, although I'm not super familiar with the server side, my impression was that Linux is good + cheap, not necessarily better.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 18:51

Yup. Instead of having a million half-baked things, we should have 5 or 6 good solid programs.


I don't think the theory about "focus all development resources on fewer alternatives" is actually realistic.

Gnome devs work on Gnome because that's what they want to do. If Gnome didn't exist they wouldn't magically become KDE devs.
Same for most other duplicate projects.

Also lots of those projects aren't even truly Linux specific, so devs don't even care about any kind of unification.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 18:59

My problem with Linux desktop is lack of games and big software titles such as Adobe, Autodesk, etc. I repeat again it does not suit my needs for the work I do yet or the entrainment that I want. But others might have different needs so it's just my opinion.

But on the server side I take Linux without thinking twice.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 19:08

Does it cost alot for manufacturers to create say.. games on windows? I was once told that alot of game developers create their games on linux based systems and create them for windows.

Funny how something that's free doesn't go over more well. I thought everyone liked FREE

#38 ArialBlue

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 19:14

Well I didn't know that Photoshop from 2001 still runs on W8.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 19:20

For desktop users? Not much, open-gl is smoother, faster and less laggy than direct-3D.


Oh please, opengl is a headache, Specially if you are a developer than opengl is nightmare. Right now i am working at a gaming studio and i am tired of hearing developers complaining about it. Coming from a guy who use blender on ubuntu everyday.

comparable in performance - Yes
Superior - hell no!

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 19:37

"When faced with "this does not work", the community response was usually "you are doing it wrong"."
That is the biggest problem with Linux.

And when faced with "well what's the right way to do it?", the community response was usually "RTFM n00b".

And when faced with any kind of criticism whatsoever, the community response was universal butthurt and going to extreme lengths to justify any shortcoming, and spin it into something done on purpose, for a good reason, and if you understood that you'd already like it.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 19:57

Oh please, opengl is a headache, Specially if you are a developer than opengl is nightmare. Right now i am working at a gaming studio and i am tired of hearing developers complaining about it. Coming from a guy who use blender on ubuntu everyday.


I'd take a clean C API over a Microsoft COM API any day of the week. I've programmed in both, and I'll never use COM/Direct3D ever again. Then there's the portability issue, which for me is critical.

comparable in performance - Yes
Superior - hell no!


If the Doom3/L4D2 benchmarks are anything to go by, then yes, GNU/Linux and OpenGL are superior in performance when a game is properly optimised like the Windows version.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 20:24

"The real thing that killed it is this: what program runs on Linux that is better than all other similar programs for OSX or Windows?"
For desktop users? Not much, open-gl is smoother, faster and less laggy than direct-3D.
For server users? Mostly everything is better on *nix.


Hehe, funny. So we know two things about you, you don't game or run any serious 3d editing software. You're also not a server admin, at best you might run a web server from your basement home.

And your concept of "best tool for the job" is if it isn't Linux I haven't tried it because it sucks.

Regarding the question: "What killed the Linux desktop" - I say nothing


That's as far as you where correct. The correct continuation to that is

Nothing killed desktop Linux. You can't kill something that never existed.

If the Doom3/L4D2 benchmarks are anything to go by, then yes, GNU/Linux and OpenGL are superior in performance when a game is properly optimised like the Windows version.


Call me when that supposed superior L4D2 linux openGL version is something we can actually run and see for ourselves. And not just as statement from a very full of himself Gabe with a self made axe to grind with MS

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 20:58

Hehe, funny. So we know two things about you, you don't game or run any serious 3d editing software. You're also not a server admin, at best you might run a web server from your basement home.

And your concept of "best tool for the job" is if it isn't Linux I haven't tried it because it sucks.

Got brain damage or something?
Facebook, the BIGGEST and MOST POPULAR social network system runs on linux server (centOS and fedora mainly), using their own php compiler which they made, it doesn't work on windows at all and has a lot of bugs on freebsd and mac. So now you've already massively failed once, let's move to google, once again probably using a linux OS (google appliances are centOS), so the biggest social network site in the world followed by the biggest search engine in the world both use linux...
Oh and then there's twitter, which again, uses linux! Wow, you've failed 3 times in a row. Neowin also uses linux.
Let's look at some large-scale websites that use microsoft hosting... There's bing, pretty big but not the biggest. There's microsoft's sites, oh and ironically, skype servers are linux-based too. 4 fails? And remember, MS uses wordpress which is NOT asp.net or asp based, and is PHP. Going for 6 now...
Oh and there's faceparty, the laggy outdated website that stores all passwords in clear-text and emails them out to people... Yeah, wow, certainly looks like all the best servers and websites in the world... Oh that's right, use GNU/linux.

Serious 3D editing? Maya 3D and 3DSM both have linux programs for using as render farms, you know, pixar the company that's owned a lot by mac runs it's server farms on linux right? OH, SIX! YOU MADE IT!

And games I play run fine in linux using wine (D2, torchlight, terraria, RA2) or don't need wine at all (minecraft, openRA, commander zod, zsnes).

So, want to majorly fail again? Go on, post something else that's hilarious!

And your concept of "best tool for the job" is if it isn't Linux I haven't tried it because it sucks.

Now you must be stupid. I've got a server 03 VM and it's my main server that I do most things on, it's suited for it's job, performance wise apache on windows is slower than apache or nginx on linux though. Or maybe you want to go to say the nginx forums/documentation and double check that before posting more incorrect tosh?

#44 HawkMan

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 21:07

Om my god, one site runs a web server that's Linux. So obviously
NX is the best server for everything and you didn't at all fail to understand the point of my post... :rolleyes:

Sorry, come back when you grow up and know what you're talking about.

Did I say windows server where bst for web servers? No I didn't. Is Linux however always the best choice for a web server ? No.

By the way, while bragging about those sites, look up the performance increase curse had when they switched to windows based servers. Either way my point wasn't about web servers at all. But your response clearly show your maturity level and that my assessment was correct. So no I didn't fail you did. Face first.

#45 n_K

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 21:12

Web servers? I didn't realise facebook, google, twitter, etc are only web servers.
Oh wait, they aren't.

'So obviously NX is the best server for everything and you didn't at all fail to understand the point of my post... :rolleyes:'
'I've got a server 03 VM and it's my main server that I do most things on, it's suited for it's job'
Are you being stupid on purpose?

And my maturity level? Haha, right, ok good luck with life.