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OVERTON COUNTY, Tenn. ? The owner of a bar where police responded to a near riot between rival biker gangs will be billed for police response.

Herb Clark said members of the Outlaws and the Renegades, two rival biker clubs, showed up along with hundreds of other motorcyclists at Scooter's bar in rural Overton County. Clark, who is the owner, said a member of the Renegades started causing trouble and the punched him in the head. Tensions went up and someone immediately called 911 telling police to come.

Police, deputies from Putnam and Overton Counties, the Tennessee Highway Patrol and SWAT team members responded to the call. No one was arrested.

"When someone is asking for help from uniformed officers, they're asking for help from the SWAT team, you assume something is really wrong," said Putnam County Sheriff David Andrews.

Andrews said he is frustrated responding to these types of calls at biker rallies in this area, and the taxpayers shouldn't have to keep footing the bill for security when things get out of hand.

"I just don't think the taxpayers of Putnam County should pay for his partying," explained Andrews.

Sheriff David Andrews plans to send Clark a bill for up to $1,700 for that massive show of force.

The sheriff said it was well known that some members of the motorcycle club that would be at the Southern Thunder Rally didn't get along. To him it only makes sense to have security.

Herb Clark disagrees and believes he shouldn't have to pay the bill because he never called for help, another patron of the bar called 911.

A spokesman for the Renegades said the violent incident with the bar owner had nothing to do with any motorcycle club business that happened that day.

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I don't see legal standing to charge the bar owner. Need to charge the bikers.

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Yep -- spread the cost around the gangs.

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And no one was arrested? So fighting in public is legal now? Seems to me the cops weren't doing their jobs.

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^ They probably didn't want to take on a crowd, and no one would ID the instigators.

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Businesses shouldn't have to pay to have the police turn up. However, if a business is responsible for regular disturbances then a stipulation should be added to the operating licence that requires they have appropriate security (doormen/bouncers). I know that many fast-food places in the UK are required to provide security if they wish to open late.

If a town can't afford to provide adequate policing then taxes should be increased or savings made to meet the new demands. The US obsession with lower taxes is counter-productive.

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$1,700 for the police just showing up? He could have hired an army of bodyguards for that amount.

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And no one was arrested? So fighting in public is legal now? Seems to me the cops weren't doing their jobs.

Clearly not. I don't think the bar served donuts.

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Sounds like incompetence to me, they got a 911 call, you send a car or two, not the whole force, not at least till an Officer assesses the situation and calls for backup

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^ They probably didn't want to take on a crowd, and no one would ID the instigators.

Just arrest them all for good measure. :D

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A lot of places if you hold an event that has over a certain number of personnel in attendance you are required to obtain a permit and provide adequate security.

Your talking a few gangs and hundreds of bikers here. Things will quickly get out of hand for just a few officers.

As to whether he should have to pay the bill or not would depend on adequate event security. If they had enough and didn't need the extra support form the police then he shouldn't have to pay. If he failed to have adequate security personnel then I agree he should have to pay for the response.

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Clearly not. I don't think the bar served donuts.

Hope the bar owner learned a lesson.

He should at least buy some everyday for the cops.

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The whole point was that it should pretty much be taken as a fine so that the guy hires security.

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