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Posted 12 September 2012 - 09:37

Really interesting OP-ed piece by the guy who created the Fake Steve Jobs blog several years ago, about why Apple are starting to look on increasingly shaky ground - lacking innovation and not being brave.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-19557497


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 10:00

I agree with him. I really looked forward to seeing what Apple had to offer. Had an iPhone 3G for 2 years, then a 4 for 2 years which I've just sold ready for a new phone - it's the first time I've had a specific type of phone for more than 6 months. This time around, with all the leaks et al. I see a taller, slimmer iPhone 4S, and that's all. There's probably an improved camera and better battery life - but unless Tim can pull off a "one more thing", I just don't see what makes it worth £500 any more.

But seeing that design of the Ativ S, and then the feature of the Lumia 920 - those are the two that really excite me. Infact, after playing for a week or so on Windows Phone 7, makes me all the more willing to try WP8 out. Just a shame my Lumia 710 got pinched a few days ago!

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 10:02

That was a good read, thanks for linking it.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 10:04

I agree with him too. Also really liked the following quote

To use a car analogy, six years ago the iPhone was like a sexy new flagship model from BMW or Porsche. Today it's a Toyota Camry. Safe, reliable, boring. The car your mom drives. The car that's so popular that its maker doesn't dare mess with the formula.


It sums up the iPhone these days. We used to refer to it as the grandma phone in our stores, as that's the only people who bought them

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 10:12

The endless leaks have definitely hurt them that is for sure. Knowing what the iPhone 5 is going to look like before release has deflated a lot of people because it looks almost the same as the iPhone 4 and 4S but worse with that metal piece at the back separating the two glass pieces.

I had an iPhone 3GS, I upgraded to an iPhone 4S last year, I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro. I'm an Apple product user but I gotta say I agree with him. I'm looking at alternative products I'm using Spotify because Apple still doesn't offer any kind of subscription based all-you-can eat music service on iTunes and I'm thinking about buying the next Google Nexus device now that Jelly Bean has arrived and fixed a lot of the things I didn't like about Android.

The rest of the industry is moving on and leaving Apple by the wayside. iOS 5 and 6 are very similar. iPhone 4 and 4S are very similar. This wouldn't be a problem except that's a two year time scale between these things and not much changed. I've been running iOS 6 on my iPhone 4S since the day they announced it (developer account) but it doesn't thrill me it has no big features it feels more like a 5.2 than a 6.0 it's a nice release but not innovative by any means and then I look at Google adding Google Now to all Android phones that receive the Jelly Bean update and I think gosh.. I had to buy a whole new phone to get a feature similar to that (Siri on iPhone 4S) and Google is just giving it away with a software update.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 10:27

I agree with him too. Also really liked the following quote


It sums up the iPhone these days. We used to refer to it as the grandma phone in our stores, as that's the only people who bought them


Agreed. I guess from a business point of view it's great - spend the least amount of money on R&D and keep raking in the cash. But surely they will have to do something about it soon as surely people will start to desert and go to other more interesting handsets?

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 10:39

the guy didn't qualify how much 2% was versus the R&D budget of google etc..

given apples profits, the actual figure could be massive :o

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 10:46

the guy didn't qualify how much 2% was versus the R&D budget of google etc..

given apples profits, the actual figure could be massive :o


Take a look at this http://www.neowin.ne...owledge-economy :)

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 10:51

Apple has a horrible knack for not innovating fast enough, and rarely opts in to change. This is going to get them in trouble future tech coming from Microsoft, and to a lesser extent, Android devices.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 10:53

I agree with him. I really looked forward to seeing what Apple had to offer . . . unless Tim
can pull off a "one more thing", I just don't see what makes it worth £500 any more.

I realy don't see what makes the iPhone (and similar phones not from Apple) worth £500 at all. Why should a
glorified cellphone with a bunch of pre-installed online apps cost so much more to buy, than an entry level
or mid range laptop PC? If I want to buy a so-called "smartphone", I'll pay no more than around £150.

If I wanted to spend over £300 on a mobile internet device, I'll buy a laptop. OK, it might not be something
that I can just slip into my pocket, but I know I'll be getting much better value for money, buying a device
in which I'll have far more freedom to install whatever I want, from the apps to the operating system.

Anyone that puts down £400-500 on an iPhone (or similar smartphone device) has more money than sense.
A well known old saying applies here ... fools and their money are easily parted.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 10:57

Take a look at this http://www.neowin.ne...owledge-economy :)

wow, pretty shocking. ty.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 11:02

It sums up the iPhone these days. We used to refer to it as the grandma phone in our stores, as that's the only people who bought them


Do you call the yellow Lumia 920 the banana phone?

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 11:03

The endless leaks have definitely hurt them that is for sure. Knowing what the iPhone 5 is going to look like before release has deflated a lot of people because it looks almost the same as the iPhone 4 and 4S but worse with that metal piece at the back separating the two glass pieces.

I had an iPhone 3GS, I upgraded to an iPhone 4S last year, I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro. I'm an Apple product user but I gotta say I agree with him. I'm looking at alternative products I'm using Spotify because Apple still doesn't offer any kind of subscription based all-you-can eat music service on iTunes and I'm thinking about buying the next Google Nexus device now that Jelly Bean has arrived and fixed a lot of the things I didn't like about Android.

The rest of the industry is moving on and leaving Apple by the wayside. iOS 5 and 6 are very similar. iPhone 4 and 4S are very similar. This wouldn't be a problem except that's a two year time scale between these things and not much changed. I've been running iOS 6 on my iPhone 4S since the day they announced it (developer account) but it doesn't thrill me it has no big features it feels more like a 5.2 than a 6.0 it's a nice release but not innovative by any means and then I look at Google adding Google Now to all Android phones that receive the Jelly Bean update and I think gosh.. I had to buy a whole new phone to get a feature similar to that (Siri on iPhone 4S) and Google is just giving it away with a software update.

I agree with the comment and I'd like to point out that Google Now won't be limited just for Android as I can remember Google said that Google Now will be coming to iOS as well via their Google Search App.


I guess what it really sums up is that so far only Steve Jobs can run Apple he is irreplaceable.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 11:06

I realy don't see what makes the iPhone (and similar phones not from Apple) worth £500 at all. Why should a
glorified cellphone with a bunch of pre-installed online apps cost so much more to buy, than an entry level
or mid range laptop PC? If I want to buy a so-called "smartphone", I'll pay no more than around £150.


You know what, you're bang on. I was one to drop that much money on a phone (the sim free contract more than made up that cost however) - but then I got a Lumia 710 from Carphone Warehouse for £90. That phone if I'm not mistaken, has about the same insides as it's big brothers - so it was mighty quick. (Had a play on a few android phones under £100 - they were terrible). That proves is possible to make a smart phone at such low cost... and it's a decent bit of kit.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 11:10

Do you call the yellow Lumia 920 the banana phone?


No as bananas can't buy phones. I'd recommend it over an iPhone though to anyone