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[Luis Mazza]

Anaron, on 16 September 2012 - 23:21, said:

No I'm not. Almost everything I've said so far is based on logic. It's obviously illogical to assume something when the facts state otherwise. What would you do if people made incorrect claims by assuming the wrong things? Yes, the driver and passengers are dead. And no, I don't want to "safeguard" his memory. I don't know them but I won't laugh at their deaths even if they were up to no good (e.g. allowing the driver to operate a vehicle under the influence of alcohol).

Even with what we know, I'm glad they didn't hurt anyone else. I really don't see the point in saying something like "He deserved it." or "Good riddance." given what we know. Most of the posts that contained something similar were directed toward the wrong person too. It's not about having the power to judge anyone because that's obvious. It's about reading an article properly before blaming someone for something they didn't do.

And don't be ridiculous. Of course it isn't personal. I don't have some personal mission to maintain a positive image for the people involved in this accident. I honestly don't give a damn about them beyond what I've read. What I care about is the spread of misinformation.

I think you're not exactly worried about spreading misinformation, but actually you're worried about the prejudice involved in this specific case.
Well... I can't do anything about this, because prejudice is impossible to remove from human beings, but it can be diluted by opposite actions.

Unfortunately, this is not the case, as we can see pretty clear that a lot of people here hate rappers, YOLOs, drunk people tweeting and more than one guy in a car at 120MPH crashing on someone else's house.

Your mission is a hard one. Good luck.

lol

[andrewbares]

Luis Mazza, on 16 September 2012 - 23:38, said:

...in a car at 120MPH...

When were they ever going 120 mph??? Guess what, I have a friend who lies about a ton of stuff to make himself sound cool. I wouldn't be surprised if there's someone else just like him in this world...

[Anaron]

Luis Mazza, on 16 September 2012 - 23:38, said:

I think you're not exactly worried about spreading misinformation, but actually you're worried about the prejudice involved in this specific case.
Well... I can't do anything about this, because prejudice is impossible to remove from human beings, but it can be diluted by opposite actions.

Unfortunately, this is not the case, as we can see pretty clear that a lot of people here hate rappers, YOLOs, drunk people tweeting and more than one guy in a car at 120MPH crashing on someone else's house.

Your mission is a hard one. Good luck.

lol

You're wrong again. I'm not worried about anything in the context of this discussion. This isn't about prejudice because I wouldn't change what I said if it was an opera singer instead of a rapper. And I also wouldn't change it if Ervin McKinness was supposedly under the influence of lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) instead of alcohol.

You've ignored my position on the matter more than once and replaced it with an incorrect version. You've also brought up random points that have little to no relevance to this discussion. I've had enough of your straw man arguments.

[Wyn6]

alwaysonacoffebreak, on 16 September 2012 - 10:17, said:

Has a long way to go? So let me get this straight, we should feel sorry for him if he indeed sat into a car which supposedly was driven by a drunk driver? Oh wow, what a friend in the first place, I wish all my friends were like that and that they would let me drive when I'm **** drunk.

Even if he wasn't drunk, 120mph in a corner? I'm sorry, did you say something?

Yes. Has a long way to go. You don't necessarily have to feel sorry for him/them. Allegedly, they were doing something stupid and it cost them. But, to join in a chorus of people cheering on the deaths of others shows a lack of humanity. If your son, brother, cousin, or whatever died in this manner and people were cheering on their death and saying it was deserved and good riddance, I'm fairly sure most of you would take offense.

Acknowledging a stupid action costs someone their life is one thing. Celebrating that loss of life is something entirely devolved. Speaking of which, considering all the talk of Darwin in this thread, I find ironic.

[matt4pack]

Wyn6, on 17 September 2012 - 00:18, said:

Yes. Has a long way to go. You don't necessarily have to feel sorry for him/them. Allegedly, they were doing something stupid and it cost them. But, to join in a chorus of people cheering on the deaths of others shows a lack of humanity. If your son, brother, cousin, or whatever died in this manner and people were cheering on their death and saying it was deserved and good riddance, I'm fairly sure most of you would take offense.

Acknowledging a stupid action costs someone their life is one thing. Celebrating that loss of life is something entirely devolved. Speaking of which, considering all the talk of Darwin in this thread, I find ironic.

So if they would have killed an innocent person in another car then we should of still showed sympathy for them? No we wouldn't have and just because they didn't happen to kill someone else doesn't change how we should feel because they easily could have.

People trying to defend actions like this are the devolved ones and I would say the same thing even if they were my family.

[andrewbares]

matt4pack, on 17 September 2012 - 02:14, said:

So if they would have killed an innocent person in another car then we should of still showed sympathy for them? No we wouldn't have and just because they didn't happen to kill someone else doesn't change how we should feel because they easily could have.

People trying to defend actions like this are the devolved ones and I would say the same thing even if they were my family.

The fact is you don't know what happened, and a tweet means nothing. Btw I killed someone last night cause I'm freaking gangsta. That means I actually did it right?

We don't know how the crash happened, and until the police announce it, any talk here is pure speculation based on stereotypes.

[Wyn6]

matt4pack, on 17 September 2012 - 02:14, said:

So if they would have killed an innocent person in another car then we should of still showed sympathy for them? No we wouldn't have and just because they didn't happen to kill someone else doesn't change how we should feel because they easily could have.

People trying to defend actions like this are the devolved ones and I would say the same thing even if they were my family.

You're not quite understanding here. Who asked for you to show sympathy? I mean, that would be quite human for you to do so, but that's not what I said. Even, had they killed someone, you could look at it and say how terrible it is that multiple lives were lost while being angry at how they were lost. If I see a kid murder another kid, I'm actually sad for both the victim and the murderer. One life has been taken and another destroyed because of stupidity (FYI, I've seen it too many times). At no point are either of those things a good thing. But, that's only for anyone with some type of emotional depth, understanding, and compassion.

However, that's not what I'm asking of others. I'm not really asking for anything so much as I'm stating something. What I'm stating is, to celebrate these deaths is a horribly inhuman thing to do. You don't have to sympathize, but you don't have to cheerlead someone's death either.

This thread reminds me of where I grew up, to a lesser extent. Where idiots took pride and attempted to portray it as cool for murdering people, watching them be murdered, or talking about how they were murdered. Where it was supposed to be cool to not care or pretend to not care about anything or anyone. If somebody died, you act all nonchalant and/or hard as if you just didn't give an eff. I mean, if you actually cared when someone was killed, you were considered weak. It was pathetic and sad.

So, no. Don't feel sorry for them, or sympathize or show any sort of compassion because four lives were lost, because people's children, grandchildren, brothers, cousins, and/or uncles died. Don't empathize and think about how you would feel if any of these people were your brothers, or your sons that made a poor decision and it cost them. Because none of us have ever made poor decisions, right? None of us have ever driven drunk or ridden with someone who has been, right?

So, keep your outpouring of sympathy if you wish. But, don't go around shouting out in joy that someone is dead. What decent human being celebrates the death of another?

P.S. I don't know how old you are, but if this were your son or brother, I guarantee you wouldn't be trumpeting their deaths. You would be angry at them for getting themselves killed and/or causing the death of others. But, your heart would be ripped out at your loss. That is unless you're one of those type people who I mentioned above.

[Nashy]

#naturalselection

[jjkusaf]

Wyn6, on 17 September 2012 - 10:50, said:

You're not quite understanding here. Who asked for you to show sympathy? I mean, that would be quite human for you to do so, but that's not what I said. Even, had they killed someone, you could look at it and say how terrible it is that multiple lives were lost while being angry at how they were lost. If I see a kid murder another kid, I'm actually sad for both the victim and the murderer. One life has been taken and another destroyed because of stupidity (FYI, I've seen it too many times). At no point are either of those things a good thing. But, that's only for anyone with some type of emotional depth, understanding, and compassion.

However, that's not what I'm asking of others. I'm not really asking for anything so much as I'm stating something. What I'm stating is, to celebrate these deaths is a horribly inhuman thing to do. You don't have to sympathize, but you don't have to cheerlead someone's death either.

This thread reminds me of where I grew up, to a lesser extent. Where idiots took pride and attempted to portray it as cool for murdering people, watching them be murdered, or talking about how they were murdered. Where it was supposed to be cool to not care or pretend to not care about anything or anyone. If somebody died, you act all nonchalant and/or hard as if you just didn't give an eff. I mean, if you actually cared when someone was killed, you were considered weak. It was pathetic and sad.

So, no. Don't feel sorry for them, or sympathize or show any sort of compassion because four lives were lost, because people's children, grandchildren, brothers, cousins, and/or uncles died. Don't empathize and think about how you would feel if any of these people were your brothers, or your sons that made a poor decision and it cost them. Because none of us have ever made poor decisions, right? None of us have ever driven drunk or ridden with someone who has been, right?

So, keep your outpouring of sympathy if you wish. But, don't go around shouting out in joy that someone is dead. What decent human being celebrates the death of another?

P.S. I don't know how old you are, but if this were your son or brother, I guarantee you wouldn't be trumpeting their deaths. You would be angry at them for getting themselves killed and/or causing the death of others. But, your heart would be ripped out at your loss. That is unless you're one of those type people who I mentioned above.

Excellent post.