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#16 Arpit

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 14:12

It doesn't matter.. 80% of their revenue and value comes from 2 products..iPhone and iPad. This is what their current value is "based on". Without it, they wouldn't be worth squat.


yeah, in early 2000's it was the ipod, they knew it and they knew it wouldn't last so they segwayed to iphone and ipads, while simultaneously increasing mac and itunes hardware sale *and* cracking the PC deathgrip in enterprises. leave aside the fact that because the hardware is so expensive and continues to outsell cheaper PC alternatives, the company makes *more* money PER PRODUCT compared to all alternatives that are sold. and most of all, they had over $100 billion sitting in cash to do whatever they want with it.

you do realize this isn't like an investment portfolio where you want to have diverse products simply to mitigate your risks?

most businesses have their flagship product aside from whatever else they sell, many only have 1~3 products to offer. the idea is to do few things really well as opposed to a mediocre job at a ton of things.


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Posted 18 September 2012 - 14:13

It doesn't matter.. 80% of their revenue and value comes from 2 products..iPhone and iPad. This is what their current value is "based on". Without it, they wouldn't be worth squat.


It's closer to 70%, but whatever. It used to be they made money off of iPods and Macs. In about five years, they completely changed their market to iPads and iPhones. And they can do this because, again, they control their entire product line. If the market shifts elsewhere (TVs?), Apple has the content providers, the software, the distribution channels, the cloud storage, and the hardware all lined up for it.

Everyone else in the industry is jealous of this. Microsoft wants to manufacture the surface so they can compete. Google would love to build phones in house. I think Apple's stock will level off when other tech companies catch up, but any "crash" would have major ramifications in the entire industry.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 14:17

They will most likely do a Stock Split so new investors can invest more money.


I doubt it, they want to be like BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY.. make it look extreamly valuable in numbers... can't have a $24 apple stock, that just looks bad! *cough* MSFT after all their splits *cough*

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 14:30

but any "crash" would have major ramifications in the entire industry.


Well absolutely. But again it would be greed and over the top hype based on unrealistic values that got the industry in that position.. aka Wall Street.

It wouldn't mean squat for competition and innovation. it would have financial consequences for the stock market. This is why the legal system is desperately defending Apple as well and are heavily biased in their favor, whether they are wrong or right about something.

They pumped them up, and now it's the same thing we had with financial institutions and the collapse. It's very similar scenario and the same tactic. Milk it, hype it, bubble it up so they can make billions until it crashes.

It seems nothing changed.. they have done this with every industry and now it's tech industry again.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 14:39

Well absolutely. But again it would be greed and over the top hype based on unrealistic values that got the industry in that position.. aka Wall Street.

It wouldn't mean squat for competition and innovation. it would have financial consequences for the stock market. This is why the legal system is desperately defending Apple as well and are heavily biased in their favor, whether they are wrong or right about something.

They pumped them up, and now it's the same thing we had with financial institutions and the collapse. It's very similar scenario and the same tactic. Milk it, hype it, bubble it up so they can make billions until it crashes.

It seems nothing changed.. they have done this with every industry and now it's tech industry again.


So Apple is too big to fail, time for Gov Intervention!

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 14:40

They pumped them up, and now it's the same thing we had with financial institutions and the collapse. It's very similar scenario and the same tactic. Milk it, hype it, bubble it up so they can make billions until it crashes.

It seems nothing changed.. they have done this with every industry and now it's tech industry again.


No, this is completely wrong. The original tech bubble was built on things like Pets.com, which was losing tons of money from they day they opened their doors. They had no business model, but they had tons of investors, because they all thought there was gold in them there internets.

The housing bubble happened because the markets were trading slices of mortgages on the unrealistic expectation (among other things), that housing prices would continue to increase at insane rates for ever. There was, like the original tech bubble, no real money in the market. Banks would give loans to people with practically nothing down, investors would split up those loans and repackage them to sell again, houses kept selling so people though there must be gold in them there houses.

Apple? Makes money hand over foot on everything it sells, is sitting on a pile of cash, and will, for the foreseeable future, continue to do so. That's not a bubble. They might be overvalued, but again, a crash on that would be something like us not wanting entertainment any more. I don't think that's going to happen.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 14:43

Well absolutely. But again it would be greed and over the top hype based on unrealistic values that got the industry in that position.. aka Wall Street.

It wouldn't mean squat for competition and innovation. it would have financial consequences for the stock market. This is why the legal system is desperately defending Apple as well and are heavily biased in their favor, whether they are wrong or right about something.

They pumped them up, and now it's the same thing we had with financial institutions and the collapse. It's very similar scenario and the same tactic. Milk it, hype it, bubble it up so they can make billions until it crashes.

It seems nothing changed.. they have done this with every industry and now it's tech industry again.


you seem to hate apple for other reasons than your opinion on its stock price. maybe because how it's controlling, how it litigates or maybe even because they have lied/stretched the truth in their marketing and profited from it, i can understand that but if you think apple is overhyped/bubble then you're wrong. you have been for past several years (consistently), and you will be at least in the near future. the stock isn't "artificially" propped up by wall street analysts. at its current price it's not exactly viable either (you can't make that much money without a huge risk of losses).

i can argue the company's viability based on stock valuation, business analysis (company's operations efficiency, product cycles, product lifelines), consumer analysis, you name it.

this doesn't mean if there's an economic collapse and the world falls apart that apple won't suffer either (it did back in 2008 as well), but it will be far, far more resilient to it.

as they currently stand, if they made 0 sales for the next 3~4 years, they can still continue to run their operations from their cash alone without needing to sell any other assets.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 14:50

its going to be a laughing fest when windows 8 is released,and people realize they don't need to buy an ipad to complement their pc anymore when they can get one product,and it has all the apps,and still acts like a computer.

what will happen to AAPL then?

and all these analysts have been propping this stock up and intentionally putting out bad news about other competitors. its a ****in scam. once they inflate the stock to its limit, they get their money out,and let all the other suckers eat the loss.

ive been investing for a long time,and ive seen this happen all the time. its going to happen.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 14:52

its going to be a laughing fest when windows 8 is released,and people realize they don't need to buy an ipad to complement their pc anymore when they can get one product,and it has all the apps,and still acts like a computer.

what will happen to AAPL then?

and all these analysts have been propping this stock up and intentionally putting out bad news about other competitors. its a ****in scam. once they get they inflate the stock so its limit, they get their money out,and let all the other suckers eat the loss.


yeah i wish you were right but nothing like that is going to happen.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 15:37

Bubble!?!?

I wish i had stocks of this Bubble you so call. Apple controls hardware and software, and both are top notch. And the bashing still makes them stronger like i usually say they began to rise when they began to itch.

Im glad there is Apple, if my tech world was still depending on windows PC´s i would be a ver sad person behind a desk lol

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 15:41

Bubble!?!?

I wish i had stocks of this Bubble you so call. Apple controls hardware and software, and both are top notch. And the bashing still makes them stronger like i usually say they began to rise when they began to itch.

Im glad there is Apple, if my tech world was still depending on windows PC´s i would be a ver sad person behind a desk lol


Apple has had high points before... then low points, this is just another high, at some point it will go down again... it's just the nature of the market... right now I'd be to scared to own large amounts of apple stock bought at those prices.... glad that my stock was bought in the late 90's...

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 19:33

Even at $700 the recommendation is to buy. It will hit $1000 next year.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 19:53

Even at $700 the recommendation is to buy. It will hit $1000 next year.


of course the recommendation is to buy, heck the recommendation for gold right now is to buy, all you have to potentially lose is a ton.. might as well risk it big!

as long as that trend line is going up its buy buy buy!

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 22:21

you seem to hate apple for other reasons than your opinion on its stock price. maybe because how it's controlling, how it litigates or maybe even because they have lied/stretched the truth in their marketing and profited from it, i can understand that but if you think apple is overhyped/bubble then you're wrong.


I'm just basing my opinions on what some reputable investors are saying. I don't care about them either way. What goes up always comes down. Whether it's gonna be through a bubble burst or leveling up is irrelevant.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 22:29

I'm just basing my opinions on what some reputable investors are saying. I don't care about them either way. What goes up always comes down. Whether it's gonna be through a bubble burst or leveling up is irrelevant.


Not true. Apple could very well turn out to be a "forever" stock. Yeah it will have it's ups and downs depending on the market as a whole, but as long as they keep releasing new products, they probably won't make a downfall. Same applies to Google and Microsoft but too a lesser extent due to differing business models.