Hum Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 (CNN) - A newly revealed, centuries-old papyrus fragment suggests that some early Christians might have believed Jesus was married. The fragment, written in Coptic, a language used by Egyptian Christians, says in part, "Jesus said to them, 'My wife ..." Harvard Divinity School Professor Karen King announced the findings of the 1 1/2- by 3-inch honey-colored fragment on Tuesday in Rome at the International Association for Coptic Studies. King has been quick to add this discovered text "does not, however, provide evidence that the historical Jesus was married," she wrote in a draft of her analysis of the fragment set to appear in the January edition of Harvard Theological Review. The divinity school has posted a draft of King's article to which AnneMarie Luijendijk, an associate professor of religion at Princeton University, contributed. "This fragment, this new piece of papyrus evidence, does not prove that (Jesus) was married, nor does it prove that he was not married. The earliest reliable historical tradition is completely silent on that. So we're in the same position we were before it was found. We don't know if he was married or not," King said in a conference call with reporters. "What I'm really quick to say is to cut off people who would say this is proof that Jesus was married because historically speaking, it's much too late to constitute historical evidence," she continued. "I'm not saying he was, I'm not saying he wasn't. I'm saying this doesn't help us with that question," she continued. In the accounts of Jesus' life in the Bible, there is no mention of his marital status, while the accounts do mention Jesus' mother, father and siblings. The four Gospels - Matthew, Mark, Luke and John - tell the story of Jesus' birth and early childhood then skip to his short, three-year ministry before detailing his death and resurrection. The idea that Jesus was married is not a new one. In other writings about the life of Jesus from antiquity suggest Jesus may have been married to Mary Magdalene, a disciple who was close to Jesus. Author Dan Brown also used the idea of Jesus being married as a jumping off point for the fictional novel "The Da Vinci Code." King dismissed that notion in her call with reporters. Initial dating for the honey-colored fragment by the team of scholars puts the papyrus piece coming out of the middle of the second century. King is referring to the fragment as the "The Gospel of Jesus' Wife" or "GosJesWife" as a short hand for reference, and noting that the abbreviation does not mean this scrap has the same historical weight as the canonical Gospels. Biblical scholars often use the term gospel to refer to a genre of ancient writings featuring dialogue between Jesus and his disciples, King notes in her paper. The Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Mary and the Gospel of Judas are just a few of the ancient accounts about the life of Jesus that Christians do not consider canonical. At the conference, King said another professor suggested the fragment could have come from the text of a homily, or sermon, where the writer was using this phrase as a literary device. She told reporters that while she will consider that as a possibility, the fragment is ?probably a gospel. Probably from the second century and most close to the Gospels of Mary, Thomas and Philip.? source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogurtmaster Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 This might be mentioning his Bride, which is the Christian believers. John S., Charisma, redvamp128 and 3 others 6 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotenks98 Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 This might be mentioning his Bride, which is the Christian believers. ^^^This. And even if it was a real lady why does it matter. It does not make him less of God to get married if anything it reinforces the ideals of marriage and such. Skin 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippleman Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 as with all writings in mythology, people will bend it to cater to their beliefs theyarecomingforyou, Roxkis, Shadrack and 7 others 10 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPreston Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 200 years, anonymous authors... Yeah i believe it :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+E.Worm Jimmy Subscriber¹ Posted September 18, 2012 Subscriber¹ Share Posted September 18, 2012 i would find it weird if the actual historical real person of jesus, was not married. mudslag and greenwizard88 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakey Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Good thing it was written down, or else no one would ever believe it to be true! FiB3R and Phouchg 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudslag Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 This might be mentioning his Bride, which is the Christian believers. Coagulated and Ice_Blue 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted September 18, 2012 Author Share Posted September 18, 2012 Maybe this was from a romance novel of the time. ;) Albert 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiranui Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Pity they can't find one that says : "all religion is made up bollox; move on with your lives; stop fighting over nonsense; work together to solve the very real problems which face humanity" The pious love ancient texts written in languages unintelligible to them, so they might take notice. Start digging now! FiB3R 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted September 19, 2012 Member Share Posted September 19, 2012 "This fragment, this new piece of papyrus evidence, does not prove that (Jesus) was married, nor does it prove that he was not married. The earliest reliable historical tradition is completely silent on that. So we're in the same position we were before it was found. We don't know if he was married or not," King said in a conference call with reporters. So it's a worthless find? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Spaceman Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Silly people, it was probably the first fan fiction story of history! :shifty: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCracker Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Silly people, it was probably the first fan fiction story of history! :shifty: No it wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted September 19, 2012 Author Share Posted September 19, 2012 No scrolls really 'prove' that a person was 'real' or a particular event happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudslag Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19645273 Jim West, a professor and Baptist pastor in Tennessee, said: "A statement on a papyrus fragment isn't proof of anything. It's nothing more than a statement 'in thin air', without substantial context." That's what we call irony Coagulated, ArialBlue, Knife Party and 2 others 5 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nominak Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 This might be mentioning his Bride, which is the Christian believers. So what you're saying, is that your Jesus' bride? And what you're also saying, is that Male Christian believers are Jesus' bride? I thought the bible frowned on Homosexual marriage? TPreston 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted September 21, 2012 Author Share Posted September 21, 2012 ^ The original Christ did not frown on homosexuals. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted September 21, 2012 Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 ^ The original Christ did not frown on homosexuals. ;) I doubt that. The Bible is very clear on it's teachings about homosexuality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPreston Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I doubt that. The Bible is very clear on it's teachings about homosexuality. In the same way its very clear on working on sunday with similar penalty's :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-T- Member Posted September 21, 2012 Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 I doubt that. The Bible is very clear on it's teachings about homosexuality. It's not that clear, it's just open to interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Li Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 This content is very good, relax a bit, Look at the funny short jokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogurtmaster Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 as with all writings in mythology, people will bend it to cater to their beliefs Mythology? LOL you guys are the dumbest people on Earth. What's next? Aristotle or Plato are myths as well? Don't answer that, we already know the answer. If they had anything to do with religion you numb nuts would say that they are myths as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudslag Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I doubt that. The Bible is very clear on it's teachings about homosexuality. The bible is a collection of works from multiple author's but nothing was written about Jesus saying anything specific on the subject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogurtmaster Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 So what you're saying, is that your Jesus' bride? And what you're also saying, is that Male Christian believers are Jesus' bride? I thought the bible frowned on Homosexual marriage? That is because it is not that kind of marriage. It's a spirtiual marriage. His spiritual bride is his church. This has nothing to do with any kind of physical sex or attraction in other words. There are two kinds of deaths as well, death like you know it down here and spiritual death (hell). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippleman Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Mythology? LOL you guys are the dumbest people on Earth. What's next? Aristotle or Plato are myths as well? Don't answer that, we already know the answer. If they had anything to do with religion you numb nuts would say that they are myths as well. you know... mythology, take your pic from the LONG LONG list of gods that existed in peoples minds since forever... the big ones today include Jesus, Allah and a few others,as a side note: yogurtmaster, i want to ask you a quick question.. do you think if you had been born in Pakistan chances are likely you would be Muslim? and if you were born in the west, chances are you would be christian? Whatever your answer is, think about the possibility that "YOUR" beliefs are the way they are ONLY because of where you were born. Scary thought huh? Agdistis or Angdistis Ah Puch Ahura Mazda Alberich Allah Amaterasu SUN GODS AND GODDESSES An Anahita WAR GODS AND GODDESSES Anansi Anat Andvari Anshar Anu AphroditeLOVE GODDESSES ApolloSUN GODS AND GODDESSES Apsu AresWAR GODS AND GODDESSES ArtemisMOON GODS AND GODDESSES Asclepius AthenaWAR GODS AND GODDESSES Athirat Athtart LOVE GODDESSES| WAR GODS AND GODDESSES Atlas Top of Page Baal Ba Xian Bacchus Balder Bast Bellona WAR GODS AND GODDESSES Bergelmir Bes Bixia Yuanjin Bragi Brahma Brigit Top of Page Camaxtli WAR GODS AND GODDESSES Ceres Ceridwen Cernunnos Chac Chalchiuhtlicue Chang Hsi See Heng-O. Charun Chemosh WAR GODS AND GODDESSES Cheng-huang Cybele Top of Page Dagon Damkina (Dumkina) Davlin Dawn Demeter Diana MOON GODS AND GODDESSES Di Cang Dionysus Top of Page Ea El Enki Enlil Eos Epona Ereskigal Top of Page Farbauti Fenrir Forseti Fortuna Freya LOVE GODDESSES Freyr SUN GODS AND GODDESSES Frigg Top of Page Gaia Ganesha Ganga Garuda SUN GODS AND GODDESSES Gauri Geb Geong Si Guanyin Top of Page Hades Hanuman Hathor LOVE GODDESSES Hecate (Hekate) Helios SUN GODS AND GODDESSES Heng-o (Chang-o or Chang Hsi) MOON GODS AND GODDESSES Hephaestus Hera Hermes Hestia Hod Hoderi Hoori Horus Hotei Huitzilopochtli WAR GODS AND GODDESSES | SUN GODS AND GODDESSES Hsi-Wang-Mu Hygeia Top of Page Inanna LOVE GODDESSES | WAR GODS AND GODDESSES Inti SUN GODS AND GODDESSES Iris Ishtar LOVE GODDESSES Isis LOVE GODDESSES Ixtab Izanaki Izanami Top of Page Janus WAR GODS AND GODDESSES Jesus Juno Jupiter Juturna Top of Page Kagutsuchi Kartikeya WAR GODS AND GODDESSES Khepri Ki Kingu Kinich Ahau Kishar Krishna Kuan-yin Kukulcan Kvasir Top of Page Lakshmi Leto Liza SUN GODS AND GODDESSES Loki Lugh SUN GODS AND GODDESSES Luna MOON GODS AND GODDESSES Top of Page Magna Mater Maia Marduk Mars WAR GODS AND GODDESSES Mazu Medb Mercury Mimir Min Minerva WAR GODS AND GODDESSES Mithras SUN GODS AND GODDESSES Morrigan WAR GODS AND GODDESSES Mot Mummu Muses Top of Page Nammu Nanna MOON GODS AND GODDESSES Nanna (Norse) Nanse Neith WAR GODS AND GODDESSES Nemesis Nephthys Neptune Nergal Ninazu Ninhurzag Nintu Ninurta WAR GODS AND GODDESSES Njord Nugua LOVE GODDESSES Nut Top of Page Odin Ohkuninushi Ohyamatsumi Orgelmir Osiris Ostara Top of Page Pan Parvati Phaethon Phoebe Phoebus Apollo Pilumnus Poseidon Top of Page Quetzalcoatl Top of Page Rama Re SUN GODS AND GODDESSES Rhea Top of Page Sabazius Sarasvati Selene MOON GODS AND GODDESSES Shiva Seshat Seti (Set) WAR GODS AND GODDESSES Shamash Shapsu Shen Yi Shiva Shu Si-Wang-Mu Sin MOON GODS AND GODDESSES Sirona Sol SUN GODS AND GODDESSES Surya Susanoh Top of Page Tawaret Tefnut Tezcatlipoca Thanatos Thor Thoth Tiamat Tianhou Tlaloc Tonatiuh SUN GODS AND GODDESSES Toyo-Uke-Bime Tyche Tyr WAR GODS AND GODDESSES Top of Page Utu SUN GODS AND GODDESSES Uzume Top of Page Vediovis Venus LOVE GODDESSES Vesta Vishnu Volturnus Vulcan Top of Page Xipe Xi Wang-mu Xochipilli Xochiquetzal Top of Page Yam Yarikh MOON GODS AND GODDESSES Yhwh Ymir Yu-huang Yum Kimil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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