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#16 roadwarrior

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 21:39

I also wouldn't recommend doing the modded hard drive route.

It's very much frowned upon since it violates the Terms of Use. If for some reason you ever need to send the console in for service it would also invalidate any existing service contract if noted that a non-MS hare drive is inside. It would also result in the console being returned un-repaired, along with that console being flagged to deny any future repair services.

Just a fair warning from someone who helped shape some of the policy documentation for this scenario...


Personally I hope the PS3 route is taken for hard drives next time around. I can understand the reasons why they haven't yet, but hope they do next time around.

The "reason" was simple greed. The same thing applies to nearly EVERY accessory for the 360. Hard drives, memory cards, headsets - all have to be Microsoft's proprietary crap instead of standard hardware that you can buy anywhere.


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Posted 24 September 2012 - 21:39

You would be surprised at how many people ignore that and send the drives in regardless. There are also sometimes issues where the customer is asked to ship the HDD with the console in order to perform testing on it (if it seems to be an issue related to storage).

The best way to avoid an issue? Don't put yourself into a situation where an issue can occur. :)


I can believe that to be honest, however with the original poster been pretty active on a technology focused website I would imagine he is smart enough just to remove the drive if such a situation did come up.

As its clear you have something to do with Microsoft i can understand why you are all official on matters like this. Personally i would not pay extra for something like a hard drive, a user created drive will work exactly the same as the Microsoft drive. I would however only purchase official controllers, but that's going off topic!

#18 Shane Nokes

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 21:50

The "reason" was simple greed. The same thing applies to nearly EVERY accessory for the 360. Hard drives, memory cards, headsets - all have to be Microsoft's proprietary crap instead of standard hardware that you can buy anywhere.


Actually the "reason" (since we're using air quotes for some reason) for the hard drive has to do with data integrity & security on the platform. I can't go into the detailed specifics (obviously for security purposes), but there is a reason why Microsoft has created a closed environment, and it's not about greed.

As regards memory cards, you do know that you can just use any standard flash drive on the market right?
As regards headsets, hmm my Ear Force Delta set would tend to disagree with you there.

In fact those same flash drives (since you can use just about any drive off the shelf) can be used on any hardware that supports it.
The headsets can be treated the same way. In fact I use my Ear Force Delta's on my PS3, Xbox 360, and PC.

Hmm sounds like I can use those items any way I wish doesn't it? Why would you make an accusation that is as easily proven incorrect as that?

I mean seriously it's like you just wanted to ramble off some random MS hate and didn't bother to check whether you were even in the same universe as having a legitimate response.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 22:12

Sorry if I was mistaken on the memory cards (I forgot that newer 360s could use flash drives instead of being limited to the older proprietary memory cards), and I should have been more clear that I was referring to being able to use standard bluetooth headsets (not wired headsets or ones that have to use extra hardware to be wireless). And sorry, but I call BS on the data integrity or security claims when it comes to why they don't allow standard hard drives.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 22:49

Sorry if I was mistaken on the memory cards (I forgot that newer 360s could use flash drives instead of being limited to the older proprietary memory cards), and I should have been more clear that I was referring to being able to use standard bluetooth headsets (not wired headsets or ones that have to use extra hardware to be wireless). And sorry, but I call BS on the data integrity or security claims when it comes to why they don't allow standard hard drives.

I can believe the reason is security, what I cannot look past and I believe is the same with you as well is the exorbitant amount they chose to charge, that is the greed part, at least IMO.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 23:35

Sorry if I was mistaken on the memory cards (I forgot that newer 360s could use flash drives instead of being limited to the older proprietary memory cards), and I should have been more clear that I was referring to being able to use standard bluetooth headsets (not wired headsets or ones that have to use extra hardware to be wireless). And sorry, but I call BS on the data integrity or security claims when it comes to why they don't allow standard hard drives.


Any 360 that has been kept up to date can use flash drives. It's not just the newer models.

As regards the headsets. I use (as I stated) the Ear Force Delta headset. It's Wireless and does up to 7.1 surround sound (on PC's and PS3) without use of special hardware. You have the receiver that uses an industry standard optical TOSLINK cable. From there it sends out the wireless signal straight to the headset. I will admit that for the talking aspect that it does require a cable to be plugged into the controller, or the supplied wireless puck that plugs directly into the controller.

As regards bluetooth headsets...that would be due to the fact that the 360's do not have built-in bluetooth. They do have a 2.4GHz wireless communication stack, but it's not actually bluetooth although it does share some similarities.

DirtyLarry, now that I can agree on to a certain extent. I do not like the pricing that has been set for the drives either. I've actually raised that complaint a few times myself.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 23:43

It's very much frowned upon since it violates the Terms of Use. If for some reason you ever need to send the console in for service it would also invalidate any existing service contract if noted that a non-MS hare drive is inside. It would also result in the console being returned un-repaired, along with that console being flagged to deny any future repair services.


Although MS has a way to detect the Hard Drive mod (which does not involve the 360), they won't flag it. You ship the 360 'virgin': without cables, hard drive, and discs.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 23:57

Although MS has a way to detect the Hard Drive mod (which does not involve the 360), they won't flag it. You ship the 360 'virgin': without cables, hard drive, and discs.


So you're telling me that you know a bit more than me about what MS does and doesn't do internally, how the flag system works, and when the flags are and are not applied?

/Facepalm

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:32

DirtyLarry, now that I can agree on to a certain extent. I do not like the pricing that has been set for the drives either. I've actually raised that complaint a few times myself.

I purposely did not purchase a 120GB for a long, long time, and when I did I got in on sale. As soon as I got my PS3 I put a 500GB drive in it for $69, which at the time was actually a pretty good deal as this is almost 5 or 6 years ago. Yet MS was charging $120 or whatever it was for the 120GB. Was a total and complete total rip off, and I get in came in a special housing, and there was whatever security in place that there was, but the pricing was still so out of whack with what the market currently was it was ridiculous. They really missed a huge opportunity there IMO.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:38

I saw the 120GB from the old white ones for like $40 I think at one of those Gamestop stores. I read you can just take those and slide it into the Xbox Slims (even without the case) since it's already formatted and Is a SATA drive so I think that's where i'll go. The same store had the 320GB Xbox Slim drive for $90. 120GB is good enough for me as i'm using my 16GB USB stick in there now and that's good too. Might even settle and get the 60GB one instead for $29.99.

To the op though, as was said you can't use just any normal HDD (AND use all the storage). It has to be a MS drive (formatted MS way) or it'll only be 16GB of the storage for external drives. You can do my option above where you buy the old HDDs from the older systems and unscrew it and then slide the drive into the Xbox Slim directly to get your space that way.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:43

I saw the 120GB from the old white ones for like $40 I think at one of those Gamestop stores. I read you can just take those and slide it into the Xbox Slims (even without the case) since it's already formatted and Is a SATA drive so I think that's where i'll go. The same store had the 320GB Xbox Slim drive for $90. 120GB is good enough for me as i'm using my 16GB USB stick in there now and that's good too. Might even settle and get the 60GB one instead for $29.99.

To the op though, as was said you can't use just any normal HDD (AND use all the storage). It has to be a MS drive (formatted MS way) or it'll only be 16GB of the storage for external drives. You can do my option above where you buy the old HDDs from the older systems and unscrew it and then slide the drive into the Xbox Slim directly to get your space that way.


I still don't recommend that route since it involves cracking open the casing on the drive, which means you still wind up violating the Terms of Use, and violating the warranty agreement.

That means from a legal standpoint you are agreeing that you will not seek service for any of the hardware should it fail...not a very good position to be in.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:50

You'd be cracking the case on the OLD device which doesn't have warranty anymore :D The new Xbox has a SATA port and slot for the a 2.5" HDD. You can buy the "cage" if that makes you feel better about the fit but it will slide in there just fine. And as long as you aren't moving stuff around, it should be fine.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:54

You'd be cracking the case on the OLD device which doesn't have warranty anymore :D The new Xbox has a SATA port and slot for the a 2.5" HDD. You can buy the "cage" if that makes you feel better about the fit but it will slide in there just fine. And as long as you aren't moving stuff around, it should be fine.


You're modifying a piece of hardware before inserting it into the console. That actually violates the rules as regards not running modified equipment.

I'm not trying to argue. I'm trying point out what the actual policies are on this. :)

I helped write some of the policies used to determine what qualifies as modified and non-modified hardware. It's a good thing I switched teams (at least for some people it seems) to do more of the business analysis stuff since I was a stickler for any modifications. :p

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 02:28

Personally I hope the PS3 route is taken for hard drives next time around. I can understand the reasons why they haven't yet, but hope they do next time around.



Actually the "reason" (since we're using air quotes for some reason) for the hard drive has to do with data integrity & security on the platform. I can't go into the detailed specifics (obviously for security purposes), but there is a reason why Microsoft has created a closed environment, and it's not about greed.



If data integrity and security is such a huge priority, at least enough to make MS slap it's customers with over-pirced HDDs, then why would you in the future hope they take the PS3 route? :s

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 02:35

If data integrity and security is such a huge priority, at least enough to make MS slap it's customers with over-pirced HDDs, then why would you in the future hope they take the PS3 route? :s


Because they have since created ways to allow for that same level of security on add-on storage options. That's a fairly recent change, which is why any flash drive can be used now, albeit with the 16GB limitation.

I'm hoping with the next console they go the PS3 route so I can toss in a large capacity SSD and have awesome load times and more space.