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TIL Notch is a ****.

I have zero respect for the guy now (not that had much to begin with).
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If he was smart, he'd give his fans what they really want. A game without Java.
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I'd like Microsoft to come out and say definitively if WinRT will stay 'closed' or not. You can 'sideload' WinRT apps already, though the process is a little convoluted for your average user...

I couldn't care less what Notch thinks but I'd still like some clarification on whether or not this is going to be permanent.

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[quote name='Javik' post='595220413']Minecraft is Notch's creation, he has every right to do what he damn well pleases with it.[/quote]Pretty much this. Notch received a standard media partnership from Microsoft: Microsoft would help him certify his game for the platform and give him some cash, while making a media spin around it. Notch said no.
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[quote name='Dot Matrix' timestamp='1349175474' post='595220441']
If he was smart, he'd give his fans what they really want. A game without Java.
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If he was smart he'd release a game that sold so well he'd make a fortune (duh!).

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In case you're wondering, I believe [url="http://www.neowin.net/news/notch-dont-be-a-hypocrite-about-minecraft-and-windows-8"]this is the editorial[/url] that Notch was responding to.

Update: Notch updated the post to say Goat Murderer :/ (source on OP)

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[quote name='ichi' timestamp='1349164830' post='595220295']


The article is about the technical feasibility of certifying Minecraft, which is largely irrelevant for Notch's stance on the matter.

He just doesn't want to certify his app for an OS whose direction he doesn't agree with.
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Noit wasn't that was a different article. The article was about a lot of things, but not that, and he ignored like 90% of it.

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No one is going to be raping goats, hang o!!

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It's not hard to see the direction Microsoft is going, which is slowly but surely towards a more closed platform. Notch simply doesn't want to contribute to that. He wants his PC to be open and free. Which is good, in my opinion.

It's also not hard to see the direction Apple has taken over the years. Slowly but surely towards a more closed platform. They introduced their App Stores, and now with their latest OS they by default restrict what software you can install. The next step is natural. They'll remove the option to still install arbitrary software, and only allow 'certified' software, from their App Store or registered developers.

As far as I can see, Microsoft has nothing better to do than to copy Apple here. They introduce App Stores, and you'll see more and more restrictions on the software you can install. Why would it go the opposite way?
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[quote name='ichi' timestamp='1349170529' post='595220375']


Disrespect how?

Notch is under no obligation to support the latest Windows OS version, let alone certifying the app. AFAIK you were never promised any kind of support on future Windows releases... and yet Minecraft will anyway be running on W8, just not certified.

By the way, has Minecraft any kind of certification at all for any Windows version? If not, why is it suddenly such a big issue? Just because Notch went vocal about his reasons?

I'd take bigger offence over the fact that as far as 1.3.2 Minecraft still has problems with chunks not loading, resulting in holes in the map and/or being able to see distant mines through the floor.
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One of the steps that fail certification is that his "game"requests UAC elevation... Something which is totally unnecessary and really bad programming to start with.

Pushing that kind of old win9x programming practices on your users is disrespect, and also puts your customers at risk.
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[quote name='Mackster' timestamp='1349176540' post='595220465']
It's not hard to see the direction Microsoft is going, which is slowly but surely towards a more closed platform. Notch simply doesn't want to contribute to that. He wants his PC to be open and free. Which is good, in my opinion.
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That's certainly what everyone wants to believe, and MS hasn't confirmed or denied.

People are taking an assumption and running with it.
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I get the feeling that WinRT and the app store is the start of a move to try and turn Windows into a walled garden as well. Granted, Windows 8 still works with traditional applications but it's clear Microsoft are trying heavily to push developers towards developing exclusively for the app store, and once they get to a stage where everyone's doing it for the extra financial incentives it gives the opportunity to close the traditional desktop off. Microsoft may gain a few friends amongst the app junkie crowds but power users will start looking elsewhere.
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[quote name='Javik' timestamp='1349176819' post='595220477']once they get to a stage where everyone's doing it for the extra financial incentives it gives the opportunity to close the traditional desktop off. [/quote]
So basically Windows won't run Windows software anymore? I'm sure that's going to make their investors [i]very[/i] happy, never mind the millions of customers. /s

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who's this "Crotch" guy eveyone is talking about? :p
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So here's Notch's logic:

Microsoft controls WinRT apps.
People can use WinRT apps.
Thus, Windows is becoming a closed platform.

:wacko:
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[quote name='Max Norris' timestamp='1349176921' post='595220481']
So basically Windows won't run Windows software anymore? I'm sure that's going to make their investors [i]very[/i] happy, never mind the millions of customers. /s
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Nope, it will still run software, but once they've conned everyone into releasing their software to the app store the traditional desktop won't be necessary ;)

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[quote name='GreenMartian' timestamp='1349175908' post='595220453']
In case you're wondering, I believe [url="http://www.neowin.net/news/notch-dont-be-a-hypocrite-about-minecraft-and-windows-8"]this is the editorial[/url] that Notch was responding to.

Update: Notch updated the post to say Goat Murderer :/ (source on OP)
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He's such a mature well articulated person...

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[quote name='HawkMan' timestamp='1349176141' post='595220459']
Noit wasn't that was a different article. The article was about a lot of things, but not that, and he ignored like 90% of it.
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That other article was pretty much about a how releasing Minecraft on closed platforms while not wanting to certify it on Windows8 made Notch an hypocrite.
That much is actually addressed in Notch's reply.

Regarding the bit about Windows8 not being closed, it seems to me that Notch just doesn't like the path that Microsoft seems to be following, no matter if Windows8 itself is not actually closed. That's also addressed in the third paragraph.

What's the 90% he ignored?

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[quote name='Javik' timestamp='1349176819' post='595220477']
I get the feeling that WinRT and the app store is the start of a move to try and turn Windows into a walled garden as well. Granted, Windows 8 still works with traditional applications but it's clear Microsoft are trying heavily to push developers towards developing exclusively for the app store, and once they get to a stage where everyone's doing it for the extra financial incentives it gives the opportunity to close the traditional desktop off. Microsoft may gain a few friends amongst the app junkie crowds but power users will start looking elsewhere.
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The walled garden approach makes sense for Windows for RT, as it needs to be a secured platform. You can't exactly rip and replace the guts on a tablet when something goes wrong. It doesn't make sense at all on the traditional Windows, and I would expect Microsoft is aware of this.

Just not willing to assume either way, At any rate, not much else for me to say.

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[quote name='Javik' timestamp='1349177158' post='595220495']Nope, it will still run software, but once they've conned everyone into releasing their software to the app store the traditional desktop won't be necessary ;)[/quote]
Ah, so it's just preference then, not closed at all since the developer can still design whatever he bloody well pleases just like the past couple decades. I fail to see the point of his whole "problem" then. I used to hear similar arguments about dotNET killing off Win32 applications back in the day. Microsoft's going to stop supporting it, etc etc. Same goes with WPF.. WinForms apps will die, developers are being forced into using that instead. Now it's this.
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Am I right in thinking Minecraft could appear in the Windows Store but not be a Metro app, so software makers won't lose eyeballs or a 30 % cut as the listing will just link to their website ?

That is a good reason to get certified right ?

Steam could be quite popular as a listed program on Windows Store even though it only links to Valve's website in the end but think of the consumers who will see that more than usual on Windows 8.

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[quote name='WooHoo!!!' timestamp='1349177740' post='595220509']
Am I right in thinking Minecraft could appear in the Windows Store but not be a Metro app, so software makers won't lose eyeballs or a 30 % cut as the listing will just link to their website ?

That is a good reason to get certified right ?

Steam could be quite popular as a listed program on Windows Store even though it only links to Valve's website in the end but think of the consumers who will see that more than usual on Windows 8.
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This is correct. I think WinZip was among the first desktop applications to be certified (and available) in the Release Preview as well!

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[quote name='Javik' timestamp='1349176819' post='595220477']
Microsoft may gain a few friends amongst the app junkie crowds but power users will start looking elsewhere.
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That's what the market wants though, Each player in the desktop space all have their own markets. It's nothing you're going to be escaping. Apple has a store, and so does Canonical.

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[quote name='grayscale' timestamp='1349163226' post='595220251'] I don't get the goat reference :/ [/quote]

It is just to attract attention to the article.

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[quote name='exotoxic' timestamp='1349179210' post='595220535']
It is just to attract attention to the article.
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Yeah because otherwise facts would just get in the way :p
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