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everythign else including html 5 has similar security holes, known and fixed and unknown.

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I can't see that that sayd the html 5 application. do you see that, in that case you may need new glasses.

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The real issue here is why "goat rapist"?

Lol, he changed it to "goat murderer" now. That's at least one notch better than before. :whistle:

Poor goat... :no:

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I could say the same thing about Notch too especially when what he keeps talking about is false

Except he has his viewpoint and you have yours. And I agree with him. I believe Windows is becoming more restrictive, also. They're already trying to limit how we use Windows and make it more "generic". If they really wanted to, they could push Intel into developing something on x86 instead of ARM that would be equal in terms of power and performance, but they like the idea of making apps available ONLY in an App Store. Of course there will be Pro versions, but they also cost a LOT more. I'm glad someone is standing up for people instead of just acting like sheep.

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Ehh.

Notch, talk to us again when you've ditched the maleware called Java.

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I believe Windows is becoming more restrictive, also.

You can believe it all you want, but it's not fact, in fact it's completely wrong since Windows is still as open as it ever was. what might hppen in the feature it something you can theorize about, but that doesn't make it something that is happening now.

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Ehh.

Notch, talk to us again when you've ditched the maleware called Java.

*sigh* :rolleyes: :no:

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Yeah I'm sure you think it's great, I don't care to be honest, I'm not even touching Java with a ten foot pole.

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oh, so you don't even know anything about Java

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Wait, what? I don't even...

Not visiting the front page since the news here has fallen to below tabloid quality so i guess I'll never know....

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Wait, what? I don't even...

Not visiting the front page since the news here has fallen to below tabloid quality so i guess I'll never know....

"And being ignorant is half the battle..." - Dead G.I. Joe

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defending java is like defending windows millenium edition...

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oh, so you don't even know anything about Java

Java has a badly designed type system which forced the existence primitive types to avoid bad performance, which cause all kind of problems. It also has no support for events, no first-class functions, no type inference for variables, no overloadable operators, some questionable design decisions concerning the == operator, and so on. Heck, it doesn't even have static classes. And its standard library is rather weird - java.util is a PHP-like kitchen sink. And the versioning system...ugh.

Yes, there are worse languages. But that doesn't make Java good.

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defending java is like defending windows millenium edition...

No it really isn't, but come back to me when you know what enterprise is.

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No it really isn't, but come back to me when you know what enterprise is.

what enterprise would rely on it??? ones that are stuck in old ways....

there are some that still use dos for cryin out loud....

not a good reason to defend java.... are you gonna defend netscape enterprise server just becuase there are companies that still use it?

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No it really isn't, but come back to me when you know what enterprise is.

If you want to claim that Java is good to know because that's what enterprises use, say that. That's completely independent from Java's qualities and faults.

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Well said Notch, though he may be too optimistic - I'd keep an eye on the goats. Another fine example of the mature dialogue that Neowin staff and management promotes while lambasting it in others. These series of articles have clearly catered more to emotion than facts. The wagon circling posts on a fight you picked by attacking his character, while not once actually demonstrating you understood his point to begin with, are only further example of this.

Tut tut.

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I haven't been following this and I frankly don't care either way. It's just a shame that things have got out of hand like this.

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what enterprise would rely on it??? ones that are stuck in old ways....

there are some that still use dos for cryin out loud....

not a good reason to defend java.... are you gonna defend netscape enterprise server just becuase there are companies that still use it?

So you just confirmed you don't have a clue about enterprise or enterprise computing.

If you think enterprise java is backwards, you need to get sme real education or just get out of IT.

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So you just confirmed you don't have a clue about enterprise or enterprise computing.

If you think enterprise java is backwards, you need to get sme real education or just get out of IT.

I gave an example of an enterprise making a bad decision.... like you are in defending java when it's terribly flawed.

Just becuase a company uses it and "gets along fine" with it doesn't mean it's good.

they may say they are getting along fine with it to please shareholders or whatever when they really might hate it...

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So you just confirmed you don't have a clue about enterprise or enterprise computing.

If you think enterprise java is backwards, you need to get sme real education or just get out of IT.

I'm sorry what? This post...is way out of my league of understanding.

Please be quiet next time, you'll seem smarter.

Do you even understand how sever the 0day exploits are for enterprises? Or are you just talking out of you ass? I'm guessing no and yes.

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If he was smart, he'd give his fans what they really want. A game without Java.

Excuse my ignorance... But, if they rewrite Minecraft to get rid of the Java requirement will you retain the same "drop-in" functionality for mods and texture packs? I would think modding would become much more complicated.

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Excuse my ignorance... But, if they rewrite Minecraft to get rid of the Java requirement will you retain the same "drop-in" functionality for mods and texture packs? I would think modding would become much more complicated.

There's other ways of doing that.

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Wow this is all just silly to me. Really it is his program that he wrote. If he feels he does not want to certify it good. so what. Will it stop anyone from installing it on a new machine,...no... Anyone can still play it. He can always just make it for linux and see what comes from that.

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Well said Notch, though he may be too optimistic - I'd keep an eye on the goats. Another fine example of the mature dialogue that Neowin staff and management promotes while lambasting it in others. These series of articles have clearly catered more to emotion than facts. The wagon circling posts on a fight you picked by attacking his character, while not once actually demonstrating you understood his point to begin with, are only further example of this.

Tut tut.

Idiots here still don't understand his point. Moronity here goes like this: "He's so lazy, he won't cert it when even some tech journo derp Riviera managed to cert derp.png" -> tell them it's not about that -> "He's such a hypocrite, he put on 360 and iOS derp.png" -> tell them a PC is not a closed system -> "He's doing a disservice to his fans derp.png" -> tell them he has the right to do as he pleases with his company -> "He's a bad person and I don't like him derp.png" :laugh:

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