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Just use Windows 7. There's no need for XP anymore unless your system is ancient.

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[quote name='bjoswald' timestamp='1349298024' post='595223599']
Just use Windows 7. There's no need for XP anymore unless your system is ancient.
[/quote]which you would realize the system in question sorta is if you would read through the thread

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[quote name='Brando212' timestamp='1349298144' post='595223609']
which you would realize the system in question sorta is if you would read through the thread
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From reading this thread it sounds like the system in question can run Windows 7 just fine.

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[quote name='Lord Method Man' timestamp='1349298306' post='595223621']
From reading this thread it sounds like the system in question can run Windows 7 just fine.
[/quote]that's why i said, "sorta old". the only driver he has left to get working is the display driver from the looks of it

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PAE only interferes with poorly written graphics drivers, it's a common myth that it causes system instability (Every server with > 3.5GB RAM in the 90s and 00s used PAE without any hicups)

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Yea, I think after all this time now of putting into the Win7 driver issue and not finding anything to work, am just going to install XP and enable PAE. Too frustrating, plus it's slow on Win7.

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[quote name='n_K' timestamp='1349298590' post='595223637']
PAE only interferes with poorly written graphics drivers, it's a common myth that it causes system instability (Every server with > 3.5GB RAM in the 90s and 00s used PAE without any hicups)
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I'm pretty sure a Microsoft employee said that PAE for x86 was bad if you use consumer drivers as they don't really get adapted for PAE. This is why you mentioned server as it's more of a server feature with proper drivers that fully support it.

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Are they using anything that requires Windows? In this case it might be easier to go the Ubuntu route, especially since PAE is not a very good solution (I believe you need specially written software to take advantage of it).

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[quote name='Lakota Rising' timestamp='1349301316' post='595223743']
Yea, I think after all this time now of putting into the Win7 driver issue and not finding anything to work, am just going to install XP and enable PAE. Too frustrating, plus it's slow on Win7.
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how much ram is on the system what CPU is it cause windows 7 should run just fine .

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[quote name='notuptome2004' timestamp='1349302498' post='595223781']
how much ram is on the system what CPU is it cause windows 7 should run just fine .
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Well, it's slow on this old athlon 3000+. Also, 8gigs ddr2. Installing XP now, will enable PAE on it after.

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[quote name='Lakota Rising' timestamp='1349306813' post='595223915']
Well, it's slow on this old athlon 3000+. Also, 8gigs ddr2. Installing XP now, will enable PAE on it after.
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then ther somthiong wrong because i had windows 7 on much older system then that far older and it ran butter smooth and No dont use PAE it can harm the system and hurt it more then it helps XP is a bad ide and PAE no way

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[quote name='Lakota Rising' timestamp='1349306813' post='595223915']
Well, it's slow on this old athlon 3000+. Also, 8gigs ddr2. Installing XP now, will enable PAE on it after.
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Let me know how it goes. I'll be really surprised if you can get everything to work properly with PAE enabled. Very surprised.

(Also, is there a reason why you really need 8GB of RAM on such an old machine? Specific software? My main computer that I'm using for pretty much everything including gaming, Java development and VM's runs Windows 7 x64 with 4GB of RAM and it's perfectly fine?)

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[quote name='Lakota Rising' timestamp='1349286429' post='595223223']
I upgraded the ram in this system to 8gigs. XP x86 will not utilize all the ram and their kid is studying graphics/media stuff that I don't understand. So will need full utilization of the 8gigs DDR2.
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If the rest of the hardware isn't that great, then 8GB of RAM won't really make a difference. Win7 should run just fine on anything with that much RAM. We've got some Core2Duo machines that had XP on them and upgrade to Win7 they run much better. I don't see the slowdowns over time that I did with XP.

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[quote name='Jason Stillion' timestamp='1349289234' post='595223325']
Note: Windows XP 64bit shipped with SP1 built in, so SP2 is the same as SP3 for Xp code wise.
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Yes.
Windows XP x86 is Windows NT 5.1, which has three service packs.
Windows Server 2003 and Windows XP x64 is Windows NT 5.2, which has only two service packs.

So if you're running XP x64 SP2, you're already up to date, it's got everything XP x86 SP3 has.

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Windows 7 x64 using XP Mode seems like the way to go to me if there's a software incompatibility with Windows 7 - it can run through the XP VM.

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Ok. I understand what everyone is saying. Anyways, to the meat of this: WinXP SP3 installed. PAE enabled and zero issues. So far. I will keep it doggin for a few more days before I give this system to them and see what happens. But so far, so good. *knock on wood*

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if you are giving the system to someone then you dont want to enable PAE or anything liek that take some ram out then give to them or install windows 7 again on it cause i hardly believe ya when ya said it ran slow because i have windows 7 running on a AMd Athlon XP 1.6ghz chip with 1.5gb of ram and cheap PCI card to do Aero and thre sucker runs like a dream

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[quote name='notuptome2004' timestamp='1349328418' post='595224447']
if you are giving the system to someone then you dont want to enable PAE or anything liek that take some ram out then give to them or install windows 7 again on it cause i hardly believe ya when ya said it ran slow because i have windows 7 running on a AMd Athlon XP 1.6ghz chip with 1.5gb of ram and cheap PCI card to do Aero and thre sucker runs like a dream
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Don't care what you believe. Thanx for everyone's help.

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[quote name='Lakota Rising' timestamp='1349330085' post='595224473']
Don't care what you believe. Thanx for everyone's help.
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Then don't ask for help. They were offering their opinion based on the fact that you're not the one that's going to be living with this machine around the clock.

Everyone has already told you that Service Pack 2 for the 64-bit XP is the same as SP3 for the x86 version which is true.

The information was there, but for some reason you're choosing the hard route, and then being rude to someone who is pointing something that is actually true.

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[quote name='Shane Nokes' timestamp='1349331239' post='595224491']
Then don't ask for help. They were offering their opinion based on the fact that you're not the one that's going to be living with this machine around the clock.

Everyone has already told you that Service Pack 2 for the 64-bit XP is the same as SP3 for the x86 version which is true.

The information was there, but for some reason you're choosing the hard route, and then being rude to someone who is pointing something that is actually true.
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Being rude? He was being rude first by calling me a liar. So f*ck him. I understand what they were saying. He didn't have to go out his way to call me a liar.

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[quote name='Lakota Rising' timestamp='1349352154' post='595224901']
Being rude? He was being rude first by calling me a liar. So f*ck him. I understand what they were saying. He didn't have to go out his way to call me a liar.
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You should calm yourself because he is only stating facts. My older system, once again in my signature, ran Win7 just fine with a really old mobile processor, I even played games in Win 7, mostly falcom ones and even some PS2 ported to PC ones (onimusha 3).

If you feel the system slow then you have a problem in that specific hardware, seeing that only the graphics card gave you problem and you felt the system slow, there IS something weird going on your system, because even with no graphics acceleration it runs quite fast.

BE POLITE.

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[quote name='Arceles' timestamp='1349365937' post='595225327']
You should calm yourself because he is only stating facts. My older system, once again in my signature, ran Win7 just fine with a really old mobile processor, I even played games in Win 7, mostly falcom ones and even some PS2 ported to PC ones (onimusha 3).

If you feel the system slow then you have a problem in that specific hardware, seeing that only the graphics card gave you problem and you felt the system slow, there IS something weird going on your system, because even with no graphics acceleration it runs quite fast.

BE POLITE.
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So, it's ok for him to tell me I'm lieing? That's being polite? Don't think so. Someone gets rude to me, expect to get the same in return.

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[quote name='Lakota Rising' timestamp='1349366649' post='595225353']


So, it's ok for him to tell me I'm lieing? That's being polite? Don't think so. Someone gets rude to me, expect to get the same in return.
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They said they hardly believe the system runs slow. With the specs it shouldn't.

You're ignoring practically all help offered, and violating Wheaton's Law.

Seriously drop the caffeine intake, get some sleep and think about it rationally.

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[quote name='Shane Nokes' timestamp='1349432935' post='595226987']
They said they hardly believe the system runs slow. With the specs it shouldn't.

You're ignoring practically all help offered, and violating Wheaton's Law.

Seriously drop the caffeine intake, get some sleep and think about it rationally.
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Fine. I'm a Dick. No argument there. I'll pull out 4gigs ram and reinstall WinXP. I am not willing to put Win7 back on it, because I cannot find the one driver and will not install any driver in compatibility mode. Plus it was a bit slow. Y'all can believe me on that or no. Maybe a bad generic driver added by Windows. I don't know.

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[quote name='Lakota Rising' timestamp='1349445484' post='595227387']
Fine. I'm a Dick. No argument there. I'll pull out 4gigs ram and reinstall WinXP. I am not willing to put Win7 back on it, because I cannot find the one driver and will not install any driver in compatibility mode. Plus it was a bit slow. Y'all can believe me on that or no. Maybe a bad generic driver added by Windows. I don't know.
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Well why not give specifics about the driver, what version and such. I might be able to find something that can help.
There are people willing to help, and there are always going to be people that challenge information presented if it's not seeming to make sense. :)

That how debate and discussion goes. If we all agreed about everything, nothing would ever get done. :p

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