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#91 remixedcat

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 05:30

These are the last things the media player devs have on their mind. :(



They wouldnt know a proper media player if it smacked them upside the head and "never gonna give you up" started playing out of thier ears....


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Posted 09 October 2012 - 06:03

I don't think ANY of these Modern UI apps are meant to replace their big brother Desktop Versions.. only supply a touchscreen/tablet PC or user that has simple needs with a means to do something quickly and efficiently with the hardware. So by all means, you should continue to use the desktop version of the apps that do exactly all of those things they already do that you use...

TLDR: Don't try to replace your desktops apps with Modern UI apps.


But that's exactly the issue - if they're not better then why do we need them? If Microsoft is going to put so much effort into a new design philosophy for applications then it should at least be better than what we had before, at least in some meaningful ways. On the desktop that just isn't true, as functionality is limited, multi-tasking is limited, the use of the screen is inefficient and requiring you to use the Windows Store is restrictive and has anti-competitive implications. I can certainly understand their appeal on tablets/laptops with touch screens but they are poorly suited to a desktop environment.

The Music app is the best example of how infuriating, poorly featured and poorly designed Metro apps are. When you open a music file you entire screen turns bright orange for the intro screen, before filling your screen with a giant pause button and album art for random artists. Say I want to now add a second track to the playlist from the folder I was just in, I switch to the desktop via the top left corner and then my music drops to a virtually inaudible level. Great. Then you realise you can't actually add a song from your folder into a Metro app - you can't right click to add it (no option); you can't click and drag onto a Metro app. From a usability perspective it's an unmitigated disaster. So, now I'm in the Music app and trying to add a song to the playlist... but I can't find any option for it. I right-click to bring up the menu but there's nothing there about a playlist - perhaps opening a file will give you an option to add it to the playlist? Nope. Maybe it's in the charm bar? I had a look... nope, can't see anything there.

I've been using computers for over twenty years and I have absolutely no idea how to use playlists with the built-in Music app. Even if the functionality is there - which I have to assume it is - it's presented to the user in a thoroughly unhelpful way. The interaction with the desktop is appalling, as there pretty much isn't any. On the desktop I can easily drag files from one app to another. Metro? Ha! There's share functionality but it's greatly restricted. How about changing an ID3 tag? Nope. In iTunes it's easy to do. How about opening a music video while I'm in Music? Nope, even though iTunes plays them; Music doesn't even present you with an option to open a video with the Video app. I've been using Windows 8 as my primary operating system for over 6 months, so this isn't just about learning new systems - this is about them being obtuse and poorly designed.

#93 zhangm

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 06:29

The Music app is the best example of how infuriating, poorly featured and poorly designed Metro apps are. When you open a music file you entire screen turns bright orange for the intro screen, before filling your screen with a giant pause button and album art for random artists. Say I want to now add a second track to the playlist from the folder I was just in, I switch to the desktop via the top left corner and then my music drops to a virtually inaudible level. Great. Then you realise you can't actually add a song from your folder into a Metro app - you can't right click to add it (no option); you can't click and drag onto a Metro app. From a usability perspective it's an unmitigated disaster. So, now I'm in the Music app and trying to add a song to the playlist... but I can't find any option for it. I right-click to bring up the menu but there's nothing there about a playlist - perhaps opening a file will give you an option to add it to the playlist? Nope. Maybe it's in the charm bar? I had a look... nope, can't see anything there.


Open Music app. Scroll to the left and click the My Music header (Ctrl C, Preferences allows you to open your music collection by default). Select desired songs by normal means or by sequential right-clicking. This will also cue the menu, which allows you to select Play, add to Now Playing, or add to existing/create a new playlist.

I think the major mistake here is that the Music app doesn't immediately take you to your music. The splash screen yields to...ads. Microsoft, HELLO? You're presenting a method to BUY content when the user wants to PLAY content. By default. What other application dumps you into the middle of a scrollable page to in order to hide the content that the user first wants to get to? How much sense is there in loading up Neowin and having your browser default-jump you to the middle of the page? Ever open a book to find that the first printed page is number 173? Do you ever open your fridge and want to dig through a pile of coupon books in order to get to your food?

Yes, Metro is neat. I like Live Tiles and the clean design philosophy. It can go far. Some design choices are, however, clearly hostile to the consumer. That's my feedback.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 06:48

Metro multiasking? lolol

Didn't you know? Now you have learned something I guess.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 07:48

I like a lot of the apps, but I've definitely had reliability issues, not so much with crashing (that does happen, but mostly with third-party apps), but with notifications and tile number badges getting out of sync (WTF is with the Store telling me about updates that don't exist?) Performance used to be pretty bad, but they've gradually gotten faster over time and mostly start up pretty quick now. I've definitely never had Mail take anywhere near half a minute. Though it does bug me in the Picker control when something like SkyDrive, or the People contact picker, has to put up a splash screen when you switch to it ... it's only a couple seconds, but having a splash screen and having it take any noticeable time at all breaks the flow in that situation, makes the picker system feel a lot less "magical" than it might otherwise feel ...

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 08:07

Has anyone purchased a Metro app from Windows 8 app store? Is payment getting accepted now?

I liked that element mixing and matching to create the world game Doodle God.

#97 -Himanshu-

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 09:27

Has anyone purchased a Metro app from Windows 8 app store? Is payment getting accepted now?

I liked that element mixing and matching to create the world game Doodle God.


I tried a few days ago and it didn't went along.

#98 CronicHazel

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 09:31

It does if you're not an idiot and are technically savvy. My machines work top notch because I know how to take care of them and I know how to optimize them to utilize their full potential. So yes, if a particular software (or OS in this case) doesn't function properly, chances are it has nothing to do with my machine as surprise, the only thing that's changed is said software ;)

That being said, that doesn't mean something wasn't changed in the OS to force me to have to tweak and optimize everything all over again...but that's really besides the point.


Ideally, that is how it should work, but things like bad drivers tend to bring good hardware down a notch lol

Nothing works always these days ;p

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 09:46

Ideally, that is how it should work, but things like bad drivers tend to bring good hardware down a notch lol

Nothing works always these days ;p


Absolutely. Drivers are never ruled out, however that is still related to something that has nothing to do with the machine. Which seems to be running theory on nearly all Windows 8 issues according to the fanboys. The "you're doing it wrong" era...thanks Steve Jobs!

#100 remixedcat

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 10:34

how are creative's drivers in windows 8?

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 15:42

I think the major mistake here is that the Music app doesn't immediately take you to your music. The splash screen yields to...ads. Microsoft, HELLO? You're presenting a method to BUY content when the user wants to PLAY content. By default. What other application dumps you into the middle of a scrollable page to in order to hide the content that the user first wants to get to? How much sense is there in loading up Neowin and having your browser default-jump you to the middle of the page? Ever open a book to find that the first printed page is number 173? Do you ever open your fridge and want to dig through a pile of coupon books in order to get to your food?


You're working from the assumption that most people have a bunch of music on their hard drives, versus just wanting to stream something.

#102 CJEric

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 16:36

You're working from the assumption that most people have a bunch of music on their hard drives,

Is that a bad assumption?

versus just wanting to stream something.

which only works after setting up an account and handing over money, right?

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 16:39

Is that a bad assumption?


Considering many just have music on their MP3 players and smartphones today, yes.

#104 ThePitt

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 16:47

its not you, it really sucks

#105 CJEric

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 16:48

Considering many just have music on their MP3 players and smartphones today, yes.

In that case, why would people not transfer the music back to their main computer (services like the iTunes Store even offer to do so automatically over the air when you buy a song on a mobile device)? Saves you from paying multiple times for music you already own, doesn't it?