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[ChrisJ1968]

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Is the Obama administration seeking to trigger a war pretext incident, a justification to wage an all out war on Iran?
Provoking a war and then blaming the enemy for carrying out an act of aggression is no longer part of a hidden agenda, a safely guarded secret as in the case of Pearl Harbor (1941) which was used by the FDR administration as a justification for America’s entry into the Second World War.
Similarly, the Gulf of Tonkin incident (1964) was part of a covert operation which served to trigger the adoption by the US Congress of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. The latter granted President Lyndon B. Johnson with the “legal justification” for deploying U.S. troops against North Vietnam.

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“If the Iranians aren’t going to compromise, it would be best if somebody else started the war.”

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Recent developments, including US-NATO war games and the deployment of a powerful naval armada in the Persian Gulf, `”create conditions” which favor a Gulf of Tonkin type incident.
The Obama administration does not hide the underlying intent. Washington is calling for the implementation of acts of provocation directed against Iran, so that Iran would so to speak “fire the first shot”.
Former Secretary of State James Baker III states quite categorically: “we ought to take ‘em out [Iran]“. Hillary Clinton retorts: “Well, we’re working hard [on that]. We’re working hard.”
Baker concludes: “I say if anybody’s going to do it [take 'em out], we ought to do it because we have the capability of doing it”.

Bush and Obama sure love war.

[mudslag]

Talk about a

[Tony.]

ChrisJ1968, on 05 October 2012 - 23:26, said:

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Is the Obama administration seeking to trigger a war pretext incident, a justification to wage an all out war on Iran?
Provoking a war and then blaming the enemy for carrying out an act of aggression is no longer part of a hidden agenda, a safely guarded secret as in the case of Pearl Harbor (1941) which was used by the FDR administration as a justification for America’s entry into the Second World War.
Similarly, the Gulf of Tonkin incident (1964) was part of a covert operation which served to trigger the adoption by the US Congress of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. The latter granted President Lyndon B. Johnson with the “legal justification” for deploying U.S. troops against North Vietnam.






Bush and Obama sure love war.

Bush and Obama love war, you taking the ****? Bush started the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Iran has been an issue for many years now, this problem didn't just pop up in Obama's term. Iran will be an issue regardless if Obama gets another term or if Romney gets to be president, and Republicans are the ones who actually love war.

[ChrisJ1968]

Tony., on 05 October 2012 - 23:33, said:

Bush and Obama love war, you taking the ****? Bush started the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Iran has been an issue for many years now, this problem didn't just pop up in Obama's term. Iran will be an issue regardless if Obama gets another term or if Romney gets to be president, and Republicans are the ones who actually love war.

but obummer started libya, africa, syria, continued Afghanistan, sudan, yemen. didhe stop the iraq war? we have mercs in Iraq filling in for the troops... so whose paying the mercs? the US for certain

oops and egypt so who loves war?

Also;

• Electronic monitoring by Justice Department on the rise under Obama, ACLU says (read).
  
• At UN, Obama Falsely Claims America Sides With Democratic Change in Mid East (read).
  
• New Stanford/NYU Study Documents the Civilian Terror from Obama's Drones (read). ‘Counterproductive’ drone war "terrorizes" civilians in Pakistan. The drone war has given rise to "anxiety and psychological trauma among civilian communities".
  
• Obama wins right to indefinitely detain Americans under NDAA (read).
  
• Obama administration to spend an estimated $350 billion on nuclear weapon upgrades (read). (But the US doesn't acknowledge its hypocrisy in sanctioning & threatening Iran for pursuing nuclear energy).
  
• AIPAC thanks Obama for 'steadfast support' (read).
  
• Obama Admin Appeals Overruling of Indefinite Detention Under NDAA (read).
  
• Rahm Emanuel: President Obama supports me against striking teachers in Chicago (read).
  
• Obama has kept his promise to not prosecute CIA torturers, leaving them unaccountable (read).
  
• Suspected U.S. drone strike kills civilians in Yemen, officials say (read).
  
• Obama Gives Shell Green Light to Start Risky Arctic Drilling (read).
  
• Obama sends 200 Marines to Guatemala to fight drug trafficking (read).
  
• Obama authorized covert support for Syrian rebels, sources say (read).
  
• Obama signs law increasing aid to Israel day before Romney trip to Holy Land (read).
  
• Obama in Yemen: Killing Civilians, Bolstering Dictatorship, and Bombing in Secret (read).
  
• Obama signs executive order giving himself control of all communication systems in America (read).
  
• U.S. beefs up Persian Gulf forces (read).

• Initiated, and personally oversees a 'Secret Kill List'.
  
• Waged war on Libya without congressional approval.
  
• Started a covert, drone war in Yemen.
  
• Escalated the proxy war in Somalia.
  
• Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan.
  
• Maintained a presence in Iraq even after "ending" the war.
  
• Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan.
  
• Secretly deployed US special forces to 75 countries.

source http://stpeteforpeace.org/obama.html

[mudslag]

ChrisJ1968, on 05 October 2012 - 23:41, said:

but obummer started libya, africa, syria, continued Afghanistan, sudan, yemen. didhe stop the iraq war? we have mercs in Iraq filling in for the troops... so whose paying the mercs? the US for certain

oops and egypt so who loves war?

Start what exactly, the conflicts? FTR we are not at war with them.

[ChrisJ1968]

what every liberal, republican, libertarian, communist and so forth have to agree that the US is in deep manure.Stop the madness and get the country back on track. THEN we can argue till our hearts ar content.

this problem will affect EVERY democrat, republican, libertarian.. everyone! it will hit our pocketbooks. your dollars are the same as mine and vice versa. we are arguing about spittle while rome burns.

Rome was strung out on wars just before it collapsed. we are all stuck in this together whether we like each other or not.

[z0phi3l]

ChrisJ1968, on 05 October 2012 - 23:55, said:

what every liberal, republican, libertarian, communist and so forth have to agree that the US is in deep manure.Stop the madness and get the country back on track. THEN we can argue till our hearts ar content.

this problem will affect EVERY democrat, republican, libertarian.. everyone! it will hit our pocketbooks. your dollars are the same as mine and vice versa. we are arguing about spittle while rome burns.

Rome was strung out on wars just before it collapsed. we are all stuck in this together whether we like each other or not.

The problem is that Democrats will not allow even half the criticism Bush got, some warranted, some not, they will do all they can to protect their Saviour to the point of letting him do anything he wants, let the law or The Constitution be damned

I mean look how desperate they have gotten after the debate, Obama got completely destroyed by the so called ämateur"that they're scrambling to find any little thing to push on Romney, like the whole PBS "scandal", all done to take the spotlight off Obama

[Spartan Erik]

While I do believe there were far better candidates for the Peace Prize, I don't think Obama can beat Romney the war monger heh.

ChrisJ1968, on 05 October 2012 - 23:55, said:

what every liberal, republican, libertarian, communist and so forth have to agree that the US is in deep manure.Stop the madness and get the country back on track. THEN we can argue till our hearts ar content.

this problem will affect EVERY democrat, republican, libertarian.. everyone! it will hit our pocketbooks. your dollars are the same as mine and vice versa. we are arguing about spittle while rome burns.

Rome was strung out on wars just before it collapsed. we are all stuck in this together whether we like each other or not.

Eh, the US was in deep manure, and we're climbing out of the pile. Compared to other countries, we've weathered this financial recession pretty well, all things considered. We don't have an economy based entirely upon construction (see Spain), we actually have taxes and produce something (see Greece), we're not solely dependent on foreign countries buying our imports (see China), and we haven't implemented any severe austerity measures that worsened the recession or employment (see Eurozone in general, lulz)

But I will agree with your sentiment that we are stretching ourselves thin, especially being so heavily invested in the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned about

[z0phi3l]

Spartan Erik, on 06 October 2012 - 00:09, said:

While I do believe there were far better candidates for the Peace Prize, I don't think Obama can beat Romney the war monger heh.

How many Wars has Romney started vs how many Obama started?

Being strong on Defense is not the same as being a warmonger

Hell based on the facts Obama has been a bigger warmonger than Bush

[Cute James]

z0phi3l, on 06 October 2012 - 00:10, said:

Hell based on the facts Obama has been a bigger warmonger than Bush

Which facts please?

[mudslag]

It's one thing to criticise it's another to state we of war when we are not.

[Spartan Erik]

z0phi3l, on 06 October 2012 - 00:10, said:

Being strong on Defense is not the same as being a warmonger

Hell based on the facts Obama has been a bigger warmonger than Bush

http://www.washingto...imals039410.php

A very good article noting that it might not necessarily be Romney or Obama that ultimately dictate foreign policy, but the group of advisers Romney or Obama surrounds themselves with. Talks about the influence of advisers during previous administrations, and their influences on foreign policy.

Obama has been a war monger, but not in the traditional sense. Yes, much to my disappointment he continued with the normal timetables set by Bush and the joint chiefs for Iraq and Afghanistan, but when it comes to newer conflicts that occurred on his watch, they're all small precise surgical strikes. We've used drones to an extent never reached before in taking out enemies, we've (more than likely) worked with Mossad agents to sabotage Iranian nuclear facilities through viruses [Stuxnet], power disruptions, & explosives, we used a small Navy Seal operation in Pakistan took out Bin Laden, and we only provided air support for Libya during the final days of Gaddafi's regime. Fast, quick, and relatively cheap operations compared to the mess we left in Iraq, and the mess we're going to leave in Afghanistan. I'd much prefer this latter type of warfare, rather than spending decades occupying quagmires, wasting lives and money along the way.

The main reason I fear Romney to be a bigger war monger than Obama as of now is because of his staunch support for Israel. I'm very critical of extremist elements in the Middle East, this includes governments that are our enemies, as well as governments that are our friends. Obama and Netanyahu seem to have a pretty rocky relationship, and I don't think Netanyahu is convinced that he'll have Obama's complete support in a pre-emptive strike (for instance), whereas a Romney win may play in Netanyahu's favor. Of course, Romney could just be playing to his right wing constituency. After seeing Romney become a centrist during the latest debate, and saying that his comments about the 47% were "wrong" as opposed to "inelegantly stated", I'm not sure what to believe when it comes to him (especially after his numerous flip flops since being Governor of Massachusetts)

Why does Romney plan on spending so much for defense if we aren't going to use it? If there was a real urgent threat and we needed a military post-haste, I would understand, but given how bloated our defense budget is and how bad people are suffering here in the US, I think it's time that money is reallocated from bullets to beans so to speak so we can do some nation building here domestically for a change.

[Growled]

I have been surprised how much Obama loves war. I figured him for an pacifist.

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z0phi3l, on 06 October 2012 - 00:10, said:

How many Wars has Romney started vs how many Obama started?

Being strong on Defense is not the same as being a warmonger

Hell based on the facts Obama has been a bigger warmonger than Bush

Which facts? The fact that Obama didn't start any wars at all, and yet Bush started alteast 2?

Obama doesn't want war, thats why he tries to sends drones instead of troops. he actually cares about the soldiers and their families.

Unlike Romney at the RNC talking about war with Russia and Iran.


you guys are gonna say he's weak, traveling around the world "apologizing" for america, but then turn around and say he's a war warmonger? Flipflopping and making stuff up like your hero Romney.

[excalpius]

ChrisJ1968, on 05 October 2012 - 23:26, said:

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You really need to take your meds. You're as paranoid a right wing tea bagger as I've ever seen.

How could anyone with even 1/2 a brain read such rag blogs and believe even a word of that schizophrenic nonsense?