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[HawkMan]

Reverend Spam, on 07 October 2012 - 13:49, said:

If it wasn't highly publicized, I would agree that it wouldn't matter... But look, now it's Google-able... So any future employer that wants to hire him can Google him and find the same story, and think the same things others have said here (that he stole it, he went in with the intention of scamming them, etc) and use that to discriminate against him.

I see both sides of the issue, but in the end, I'd have to agree that what this guy is doing SHOULD be considered completely on the up-and-up, unless evidence against him surfaces, which I doubt it will.

Its kind of his own fault he's on google for this though.

[Shane Nokes]

HawkMan, on 07 October 2012 - 20:21, said:

Its kind of his own fault he's on google for this though.

So someone shouldn't seek to redress a wrong because it will wind up on the internet, and thus they should just allow themselves to be wronged without recourse?

Sorry, but that's a load of horse ****.

[HawkMan]

Didn't say that, but he can't include being on google for being arrested I the lawsuit, when the reason he's on google is himself.

As for the case itself, I'd say he deserve around 2000 no less not much more. The company deserves a bigger fine to stop them from doing I again, but that would be a fine and not related to him.

[Shane Nokes]

So again, you state that since he filed this lawsuit it is his fault if he has trouble finding work.

Once again I state that's a load of horse ****.

If someone does something like this to me you can bet I'd sue for a lot, even if just to scare the crap out of them.

[HawkMan]

Shane Nokes, on 08 October 2012 - 18:37, said:

So again, you state that since he filed this lawsuit it is his fault if he has trouble finding work.

Not what I said.

Also if you sue for a lot more than what you should, any half decent judge, would give you nothing, just because you're acting like an idiot.

[theyarecomingforyou]

Ghostdraconi, on 07 October 2012 - 01:21, said:

1: While 2.2 Million seems a bit too much, any company that would have someone falsely arrested needs to be taken to the cleaners. Let a just decide how much the guy should get (I'd probably give him the Jeep for free).

Justice isn't about exacting revenge or disproportionately punishing the offending party - it's about balance, about justness. The actions of the individual (not the company) are at fault and in no way warrant $2.2m, not for a few hours in jail and some relatively minor harassment. All the press has been in favour of the victim, so slander isn't relevant. It was certainly the wrong thing to do getting the police involved but it is equally wrong to try to make millions off of it. The guy deserves some compensation - something already offered by the president of the company - but $2.2m is simply ridiculous. A mistake was made, it was picked up by senior management and a sincere attempt was offered to rectify it. Accept it and move on. This is about greed, pure and simple.

[ncoday]

The key here is that as someone pointed out, not only can getting arrested cause some people to lose their job immediately and/or hurt future job prospects, many other people run background checks and would probably decline/run away if they saw something about stealing a car: renting a car/apartment, future romantic interests, bank accounts, credit cards and many other.

Having any criminal conviction on your record really messes you up and he has good reason to make the dealership pay for what they did. I doubt he'll get that much, most likely in the low six figures.

[Ph1b3r0pt1c]

theyarecomingforyou, on 07 October 2012 - 01:02, said:

A lawsuit is understandable given the circumstances. Is what he went through worth $2.2m in damages? No, barely a fraction of that. And if the company offers reasonable compensation then the lawsuit should be dropped altogether. Lawsuits should seek to redress an injustice, not skew it in the opposite direction.

Both sides come out looking like scumbags. It's a pretty sick culture.

Thats what your opinion says. Maybe he made 1 million $ per hour at his job, he lost 4 hours, therefore he is sueing for half of it. I am so glad we have so many fair and nice armchair lawyers here on Neowin, Let you **** up a contract with a company, and watch how fast they have your ass in court sueing for everything.

theyarecomingforyou, on 08 October 2012 - 19:35, said:

Justice isn't about exacting revenge or disproportionately punishing the offending party - it's about balance, about justness. The actions of the individual (not the company) are at fault and in no way warrant $2.2m, not for a few hours in jail and some relatively minor harassment. All the press has been in favour of the victim, so slander isn't relevant. It was certainly the wrong thing to do getting the police involved but it is equally wrong to try to make millions off of it. The guy deserves some compensation - something already offered by the president of the company - but $2.2m is simply ridiculous. A mistake was made, it was picked up by senior management and a sincere attempt was offered to rectify it. Accept it and move on. This is about greed, pure and simple.

And he has a right to the 'greed'. I'm glad they are so forgiving, and let him keep the 5600$ difference in the new car after reporting the ****ing thing as stolen, and having him arrested. That speaks of greed itself.

[Jason Stillion]

A. It was a signed contract
B. Dealership has him illegally arrested / detained
C. For better or worse, the legal system allows lawsuits. Sometimes lawsuits high values are to punish the company (where it hurts, there wallet) in order to make sure they don't make this mistake again (illegally arresting).

[HawkMan]

No the legal system allows fair compensation, which IMHO, should be around 2k. And then it allows fines for the company breaking the law and misusing police resources. The fines are supposed to hurt. Even then, I'd say 50k wold probably hurt this company quite a bit.

[xDayan]

Simon-, on 07 October 2012 - 00:28, said:

I agree about his rights and suing for a false police report. But $2.2 million, really?

Future job prospects? No effect, he was not found guilty of anything and chargesnwere dropped.

If anything I would think that it WOULD be theft, because he has a signed written legal contract for Car A, but he has taken Car B which he has not and refuses to sign for. Either sign for Car B or return it to get Car A back or Car B is stolen.

Personally I think 2.2 Million is a little high, but who knows maybe he lost his job because he didn't show up, or something along those lines.

Also on Future Job Prospects, it can have an affect, just because the charges were dropped doesn't mean it won't show up when you search court records. for insistence In Alaska if you are arrested and charged with something it will be on your record until they make a law that allows them to expunge that arrest record. Now not all employers look at those records(Public Access Court View), and it wont show up on a back ground check as he wasn't convicted of anything. But if its a choice in between this guy, and someone with a similar resume, it could be a deciding facter

HawkMan, on 09 October 2012 - 06:37, said:

No the legal system allows fair compensation, which IMHO, should be around 2k. And then it allows fines for the company breaking the law and misusing police resources. The fines are supposed to hurt. Even then, I'd say 50k wold probably hurt this company quite a bit.

If it was me I would say 150K - 500K Depending on all the circumstances would be reasonably (150k Min so they wipe out one of the months profits for ONE dealer ship)