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#1 sathenzar

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 00:24

I've been told by a couple of people that the socket 2011 is not a smart investment b/c they aren't going to be developing anymore cpus for it. I'm confused b/c I thought socket 2011 just came out towards the end of last year? I'm planning on getting the 6-core i7 (not the extreme). http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116492 What do you guys think? I like rendering movies, playing games, compiling code and debugging on virtual machines. According to this site: http://www.overclock...960-vs-i7-3930k The ivy bridge almost wins (and it's $200 less). Why though would intel not develop anymore processors for a socket they just made?

Here is the computer I'm putting together (I have parts not listed already such as an ssd, pci-e ssd, video card, etc):

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131802

PSU:
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817139021

CPU:
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116492

Memory:
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820231586

Cooling:
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835106190

Video card:
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814130768

Let me know what you think :)


#2 Kami-

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 01:16

Why though would intel not develop anymore processors for a socket they just made?

Profit.

#3 Mindovermaster

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 01:50

Same way went for the 1156 socket. They aren't continuing on it. It happens. Whereas the 1155 thrives.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 02:07

http://www.techspot....lf-of-2013.html

According to that article, Ivy Bridge-E Chips are due out in first half of 2013 and will be built for the LGA2011 socket. However, I believe this is an important quote from the article.

Having Haswell and Ivy Bridge-E overlap could be bad news for those that have invested in LGA 2011 as the former could very well outperform the latter, thus putting an end to LGA 2011's short reign as Intel’s performance platform.


On a side note, I often find myself thinking of something - I purchased the Core i7 920 chip back in November of 2008 when it came out. To this day, I run this chip in my primary workstation and it still handles everything that I throw at it just fine. Sure I've made some small upgrades over the years (GPU, Memory), but the motherboard and CPU have remained the same. I don't think that in all of my years of building computers that I've had a CPU on my primary workstation for this long. Those who invested in that technology early on have really been able to get their money's worth out of the hardware. I'll likely upgrade once the Haswell chips are released.

#5 J_R_G

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 02:09

I see this sentiment a lot, but I'm not sure why it matters, if you can get a 6-core CPU for S2011, and only a 4-core CPU for S1155, why does it matter if S2011 is not going to see any more CPUs? I doubt you're going to ever get 6-core CPUs for S1155, and almost certainly will never see an 8-core CPU for it, so in the end you lose nothing. There are other reasons to go S1155, it's cheaper, supports PCI-E 3.0 better. Then, there are other reasons to go S2011 more ram slots possible (for more ram or cheaper ram modules if not maxing it out), more PCI-E lanes, possibly other things that escape me atm. At this point if you think you will use 6-cores, I would get the S2011, and if you think you will not, get the S1155. Oh, and while that Rampage IV is a very good mother board from what I hear, I don't really think the price is justified unless you are a heavy overclocker, just my 2 cents.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 02:14

Its not INTEL that profits directly, its the OEM computer makers. I imagine the turn over is a deal thing they have with oem companies. If people could just upgrade their machines with a new chip every few years, they wouldn't sell 1/2 the machines they do. Intel would probably LOVE to keep the same socket since everyone would buy directly from them since they would have a lot more money to spend on a CPU upgrade instead of a whole new machine upgrade...

#7 J_R_G

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 02:23

If you have evidence of that, I'm sure the DoJ and EU would love to see it...If not, what's the point, you just thought this thread needed some intel hating?

#8 CentralDogma

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 02:36

Well, there are some rumors about Ivy Bridge E coming out for socket 2011. But Intel is a hardware company, so don’t expect them to canabalize current sales by announcing a time frame for their next line of products.

As far 1155, don’t expect much more development there either. Intel releases two generations of chips per socket: one to introduce the new architecture (Sandy Bridge) and another for a die shrink (Ivy Bridge). They might release a few more chips to fill in their product line, but there’s not going to be any huge improvement over what they’ve put out. Their going to be concentrating on Haswell which not be on 1155.

As far as what you should choose, it’s up to you. There’s a certain amount of bleed over from high end 1155 rigs to low end 2011 rigs. Personally, I went with 2011 because I liked the feature set better. Your build looks fine from what I can see.

One caviate with LGA 2011, nVidia hasn’t certified it as PCIe 3.0 compliant. There is a registry hack to get around this and, in all practicality, it won't matter unless you plan to use the 680 in 3 or 4 way SLI and even then the difference between running them in PCIe 2.0 and PCIe 3.0 is minimal.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 13:41

(Not sure what font neowin uses I accidently set it to something different whiile pasting). Thanks for the feedback guys! Yeah I noticed the top ivy bridge almost out performs the Intel Core i7-3930K Sandy Bridge-E. So I'm a little weary of investing a ton of money into a socket that will get out performed by an ivy bridge that gets released for a different socket later (I don't mind spending some money but I want it to be the best I can get for the money). If ivy bridge comes out with a faster processor for around the same money I'm going to want that one.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 13:49

If you could wait till April 2013 then wait for Haswell (LGA 1150 socket). Simple suggestion.
I upgraded to Sandy Bridge, now wait for Haswell.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 13:49

But as a side note I also like the idea of having quad channel memory. But I don't like the idea of spending almost $500 on a mobo that doesn't get 3.0 certified either.

EDIT: Ok I will probably do that. Thanks for the tip :) Still going to research into a bit more though. Will haswell blow the enthusiast 2011 e series away?

#12 Muhammad Farrukh

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 13:49

If ivy bridge comes out with a faster processor for around the same money I'm going to want that one


That would be the sane thing to do.
If you can hold out a bit, then do so, because the new ones are around the corner

#13 OP sathenzar

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 14:09

I'm just afraid if I want to get the asus extreme (I do plan on doing a lot of overclocking and I like the features the extreme verion for the 2011 socket offers) will be like $700 and everything else to support the new cpu will increase $200-400 per part. But I guess if that is the case the worst thing that could happen would be that I'd get more money saved up and I could still buy the 2011 or something similar. I'm off to go check out if there is any info on haswell :)

#14 Muhammad Farrukh

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 14:33

I'm off to go check out if there is any info on haswell :)


http://www.anandtech...ll-architecture

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 14:41

That would be the sane thing to do.
If you can hold out a bit, then do so, because the new ones are around the corner

And then hold off a bit more for the next one....then the next one then the next one.....

Just jump in and buy something otherwise you'll never get anything.