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[quote name='Growled' timestamp='1349913348' post='595239237']
Huge corporations do but not that many small to moderate business do.
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The size of a buisness doesn't reflect how much money they have in the bank. This is problem right now. Tax cuts that are costly to the government aren't going to get employers to start hiring again. The conditions of this economy are competely different than the bush/reagon years.

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[quote name='FightAndLive' timestamp='1349913706' post='595239255']
The size of a buisness doesn't reflect how much money they have in the bank.
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Tell that to Apple. :D
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Your Boss will not be the only one.

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[quote name='Growled' timestamp='1349913348' post='595239237']
Huge corporations do but not that many small to moderate business do.
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You know, thats funny right there. I used to work for someone that had a small business, and 10 employees. To say he didn't have money would be a joke. He used to go on 10-12 trips a year for a week at a time to the tune of $5k to a Mexican resort, and bill it to the company. I never personally cared what he did with his cash or the companies, as long as I had a job, but then he told me I had to take a 3$/hour pay cut for 'expenses'. I told him to shove it down his ass and quit. THATS the main reason this country is going to hell. Greed. That 50,70k a year he was wasting in Mexico could have paid his 'expenses' no problem at all. When I left, he hired someone else at 10$/hour. I was making 20 as a licensed electrician. Now I own my own business, and directly compete with him, and he HATES it. But I love it :D Oh, and I do plan on voting for Obama. I do not like Romney at all. If he wants to hike taxes up, do it. I can afford it.
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[quote name='Fl3x1bl3' timestamp='1349917703' post='595239387']
You know, thats funny right there. I used to work for someone that had a small business, and 10 employees. To say he didn't have money would be a joke. He used to go on 10-12 trips a year for a week at a time to the tune of $5k to a Mexican resort, and bill it to the company. I never personally cared what he did with his cash or the companies, as long as I had a job, but then he told me I had to take a 3$/hour pay cut for 'expenses'. I told him to shove it down his ass and quit. THATS the main reason this country is going to hell. Greed. That 50,70k a year he was wasting in Mexico could have paid his 'expenses' no problem at all. When I left, he hired someone else at 10$/hour. I was making 20 as a licensed electrician. Now I own my own business, and directly compete with him, and he HATES it. But I love it :D Oh, and I do plan on voting for Obama. I do not like Romney at all. If he wants to hike taxes up, do it. I can afford it.
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And THIS is what America is built on. I friggin love it! Congrats!

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David Siegel is a greedy S.O.B and so is his stupid young wife, who obviously married him for money, being she is more than old enough to be his daughter.

yeah, I can see why he wants Romney to win the elections:

[url="https://www.google.com/search?q=David+Siegel%27s+mansion&sugexp=chrome,mod%3D0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=oMB6ULTHLpSW8gS-84CYDA&biw=1366&bih=643&sei=o8B6UJfPB4iK9QS0wIC4Cg#q=David+Siegel%27s+mansion&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=isz:m&tbm=isch&source=lnt&sa=X&ei=CsF6UNS7FIuE8AT1n4GQDA&ved=0CCMQpwUoAg&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=5489b824a6c6ea73&bpcl=35277026&biw=1366&bih=643"]https://www.google.com/search?q=David+Siegel%27s+mansion&sugexp=chrome,mod%3D0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=oMB6ULTHLpSW8gS-84CYDA&biw=1366&bih=643&sei=o8B6UJfPB4iK9QS0wIC4Cg#q=David+Siegel%27s+mansion&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=isz:m&tbm=isch&source=lnt&sa=X&ei=CsF6UNS7FIuE8AT1n4GQDA&ved=0CCMQpwUoAg&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=5489b824a6c6ea73&bpcl=35277026&biw=1366&bih=643[/url]
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Republican traitors love to rig elections and pressure people to vote their way, would love to see people rise up and put an end to it.

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[quote name='Azies' timestamp='1350326842' post='595249027']
Republican traitors love to rig elections and pressure people to vote their way, would love to see people rise up and put an end to it.
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From where I sit both sides are traitors and need to be run out of the country.

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Gotta love how corrupt america is, and how there's no job protection....
'you WILL vote for X or you will be sacked'. Shame the UK's heading the same way :(

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IMO ... We need to knock the repuplicans and democrats around at LEAST one year and vote for a third party ... Found this guy after 60 seconds of searching, and already seems like a better candidate than either Obama or Romney.

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darcy_Richardson"]http://en.wikipedia....arcy_Richardson[/url]

Maybe then, we'll have some actual decent competitors that know what the hell is going on in our country. Not the 1% that doesn't know about the other 99%, or the black guy that was going to "change the world" but has barely changed his own smirk in 4 years.

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What he says probably falls under free speech, whether he acts on his word if Obama gets elected is a completely separate issue...

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[url="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/16/biggest-house-in-america-david-siegel_n_1677741.html"]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/16/biggest-house-in-america-david-siegel_n_1677741.html[/url]

Check out the comments. Too funny. My favorite:


[img]http://i.imgbox.com/adbkPTlT.jpg[/img]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdJYzgJ4CwI

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I got the best job ever and my largest raise ever under Obama..

And on yeah, my pre-existing conditions are covered. w00t.

Take that mr bad business owner

I got the best job ever and my largest raise ever under Obama..

And on yeah, my pre-existing conditions are covered. w00t.

Take that mr bad business owner

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[quote name='Growled' timestamp='1350340265' post='595249459']
From where I sit both sides are traitors and need to be run out of the country.
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Yeah you're right, they're both pretty sleazy ****wits.

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[quote name='C-Squarez' timestamp='1349898906' post='595238793']
I used to work for this *******...

[url="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/david-siegel-email_n_1951801.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular"]http://www.huffingto...ref=mostpopular[/url]



Oh, and my Facebook response to my old co-worker that posted it and turned it into a debate. I was being sarcastic btw...
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I feel he would just take the tax breaks and use the money to finish his house and continue his lavish lifestyle instead of growing his business and create more jobs. Rich hoard; while it can be argued that the things bought and his house being built in and of itself stimulate the economy and create jobs, I can't but help feel more New business and jobs would be created if the money was put in the hands of the middle class; the middle class is on a mission to survive not be complacent with content like a wealthy person. If you're wealthy why would you work harder for your next bill, but if your poor or middle class wouldn't you ramp up production to meet the demand of a outstanding bill ?
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[quote name='keuka' timestamp='1350405730' post='595251121']
I feel he would just take the tax breaks and use the money to finish his house and continue his lavish lifestyle instead of growing his business and create more jobs.
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This is what history tells us [b]always[/b] happens when you put more money in the hands of the wealthy and jack up corporate profits. And why would it do anything else? There's no market pressure to increase wages or hire.

Just look at our last corporate profit repatriation holiday, for instance. It was all hyped up as going to create jobs, increase wages, etc. What did it actually do? CEO bonuses.

Why do people continuously fall for this supply side bull****? Wages go up and businesses hire when they're forced to by competition for workers (And collective bargaining), increased demand (Ultimately from consumers), and similar pressures in the job market. Nothing else.
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[quote name='keuka' timestamp='1350405730' post='595251121']
I feel he would just take the tax breaks and use the money to finish his house and continue his lavish lifestyle instead of growing his business and create more jobs. Rich hoard; while it can be argued that the things bought and his house being built in and of itself stimulate the economy and create jobs, I can't but help feel more New business and jobs would be created if the money was put in the hands of the middle class; the middle class is on a mission to survive not be complacent with content like a wealthy person. If you're wealthy why would you work harder for your next bill, but if your poor or middle class wouldn't you ramp up production to meet the demand of a outstanding bill ?
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He did. When he started this house he fired 22 people in one day. Then 10 the next, 15 the next so on and so forth.

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[quote name='FightAndLive' timestamp='1349902095' post='595238893']
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[color=#282828]Read my posts on facts and math behind Romney's purposals a good portion of what the democrats say about Romney is factual.[/color]

I don't get why he'll fire any of his staff if Obama gets re-elected, there isn't one thing Obama purposes that will cost the US government unlike Romney's plans.
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Its what it will cost businesses, not government. Obama's proposals and agenda will cost businesses tons, and many businesses will have to downsize as many already have.

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I think the employers call is clear. His taxes go up he will take peoples job to maintain his lavish lifestyle. It may be selfish but its legal and fair.

On the other hand if he were getting a tax incentive for hiring more people, he'd do that and everybody would win.

[quote name='Growled' timestamp='1349911731' post='595239145']
Obama is very anti-business.
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Exactly, the guy doesn't know squat about macro economics.

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[quote name='Long Dong Silver' timestamp='1350497170' post='595253909']
I think the employers call is clear. His taxes go up he will take peoples job to maintain his lavish lifestyle. It may be selfish but its legal and fair.

On the other hand if he were getting a tax incentive for hiring more people, he'd do that and everybody would win.



Exactly, the guy doesn't know squat about macro economics.
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Haha, nice. Make it about his lifestyle and not his business. He is clearly evil because he cares about himself more than his employees, right? Why does anyone start their own business? If you say anything but "to make money" you are wrong. Companies started for any other reason do not succeed.

Tax incentives wouldn't do anything. There is no way to create a tax incentive for hiring people unless you do away with medicare/caid, payroll tax, Unempl. ins tax, etc that are direcrly related to hiring. The only way to increase hiring activity in any business is to allow the business to keep more of their revenue, period. This means lowering the marginal tax rates as well as the employment taxes to incentivitze growing the business. Business owners will not hire more people if it doesn't make monetary sense for their business.

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BTW, in the battle of Classes vs. Masses. Classes always wins.......always.

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Is it even legal to fire someone for no reason in USA ? If yes then i'm surprised.

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[quote name='LaP' timestamp='1350497876' post='595253947']
Is it even legal to fire someone for no reason in USA ? If yes then i'm surprised.
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Unfortunately, yes. Maybe not in every state, or in the same degree in every state, but people get fired for little or no reason all the time.

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[quote name='LaP' timestamp='1350497876' post='595253947']
Is it even legal to fire someone for no reason in USA ? If yes then i'm surprised.
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Yes it is legal to fire someone for no reason in some states. The states that allow this are called "at will" states I think. it means you can be fired at will but you can also quit at will. you do not have to give advanced notice you can quit any job at any time.

[quote name='Growled' timestamp='1349915126' post='595239333']
Tell that to Apple. :D
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Apple is relatively small compared to other corporations. Check them out and you will see they make a lot of money but employee thousands less.

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[quote name='xpablo' timestamp='1349901582' post='595238881']

Just like some Obama / Democrat supporters spreading lies and making up stories about Romney / GOP.
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And Romney/GOP haven't done anything like that? :rolleyes:

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