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#16 +techbeck

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 17:32

Whatever. My iPhone 4 is still badass and I really don't care if you don't believe me. You people are hard at work in your own reality distortion field.


I kept my Galaxy S for over two years. Still works great and runs the latest os with no problems. It is currently an mp3 player now. Got a new phone when I switched carriers.

If the device works for you, no need to upgrade really.


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 17:54

This thread has been infested by rabid fandroids. As someone mentioned, there is an option in iOS6 to limit AD based tracking. Simply turn that on.

#18 ILikeTobacco

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 17:56

We all know iSheep will never honestly answer those polls, they really are convinced it is THE perfect phone for what they want/care to do, of course till the next model comes out that is

Fixed that to line up with reality. Consumers buy what they want/need or think they want/need. Don't be naive. Most people don't give a rats ass about what all the phone can't do because they have it to do what it can do. Stop using absolutes about people you don't even know. Makes you look arrogant.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 18:06

I kept my Galaxy S for over two years. Still works great and runs the latest os with no problems. It is currently an mp3 player now. Got a new phone when I switched carriers.

If the device works for you, no need to upgrade really.

People on this forum seem to have a Highlander obsession with the tech world. "There can be only one." Considering the tech junkies are niche market, not the majority market, chances are what you want/need from a phone has no bearing on what my grandma wants. Get over it. Both systems work and both systems meet peoples needs. As you said, if it works, why upgrade?

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 19:25

One word about the average comment in this thread "Flame" LOL


And yes it's not a good thing that apple does this but I guess it's included in the user agreement(which nobody reads) and so legally and I wonder why everyone is upset about their location being known by random people at a company... or is everyone here a serial killer wanting to hide their where abouts :rofl:
And Google also did the same thing but after they had a few angry people because of it you are now asked if you want to share your location when you connect you google account to your android device.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 19:32

it was not very quite, as when the feature first game to light during the Development cycle all sorts of sites started posting how to turn the feature off.

#22 vetTHolman

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 19:36

Since when is going into settings and tapping 'off' considered 'tricky?'

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 19:49

This thread has been infested by rabid fandroids. As someone mentioned, there is an option in iOS6 to limit AD based tracking. Simply turn that on.


Rabid 'fandroids'?

Say, where can I buy meself one of those 'fandroids' or do I have to make do with iSheeple stiff zombiezealots?


Since when is going into settings and tapping 'off' considered 'tricky?'


It's tricky because it does what it says. And that's just 'limit' ad tracking, NOT turn it off (which is the point of this discussion).... without any presented method of completely turning it off, for those to want to turn it off.

So, how does one really opt out?

#24 vetTHolman

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 20:07

It's tricky because it does what it says. And that's just 'limit' ad tracking, NOT turn it off (which is the point of this discussion).... without any presented method of completely turning it off, for those to want to turn it off.

So, how does one really opt out?


According to Apple, if you opt-in to 'limit ad tracking,' "advertising networks using the Advertising Identifier may no longer gather information to serve you targeted ads. In the future all advertising networks will be required to use the Advertising Identifier. However, until advertising networks transition to using the Advertising Identifier you may still receive targeted ads from other networks."

In other words, opting out shuts down the Advertising Identifier, but you still might be tracked until UDID is permentately disabled. Apple is just waiting to let advertising networks adapt to the new setting. Sheesh, I love my privacy - just for privacy's sake. But there's nothing tricky about this.

#25 javagreen

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 20:17

According to Apple, if you opt-in to 'limit ad tracking,' "advertising networks using the Advertising Identifier may no longer gather information to serve you targeted ads. In the future all advertising networks will be required to use the Advertising Identifier. However, until advertising networks transition to using the Advertising Identifier you may still receive targeted ads from other networks."

In other words, opting out shuts down the Advertising Identifier, but you still might be tracked until UDID is permentately disabled. Apple is just waiting to let advertising networks adapt to the new setting. Sheesh, I love my privacy - just for privacy's sake. But there's nothing tricky about this.


What you say is absolutely correct, however, the point is that it in fact tricky.

Tricky, not in the sense of going into settings, and turning ON the option to limit ad-based tracking. Tricky, not in the sense of how ad based tracking itself works : you explained the technicalities of how it works, but that's beyond the point. It's tricky in the sense that the end user has NO option to completely opt-out. Opt out in the truest sense of the word. In case you're wondering, personally, I give two flips about who tracks my device usage or app usage, I'm merely illustrating the point you missed about this discussion.

Casual users might be convinced that enabling this option will greatly limit the tracking that happens, but there's no defined scale as to how much lesser would they be tracked. Perhaps, tricky isn't the correct word?

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 20:30

They aren't tracking a damn thing. I've been running custom roms since my days of iOS 2.9.8. I made the jump almost 4 years ago to the day, haven't looked back since.


Download BetterBatteryStats. It's doesn't happen 100% of the time, but you'd be surprised at how often Google Maps wakelocks your phone and uses your GPS to determine your location. I can't say exactly what Google is doing with this information, but it's not related to Latitude, and my guess is they are using that location information. There are a lot of posts about this issue, but it seems like it's a concession of having Google Maps. There is no setting that will disable it, other than turning off all of your location services. When you turn on the location services, you even have to click the "Agree" button saying you're ok with Google uploading your anonymous location data in the background, even while nothing is running. Google is no saint, they aren't offering Android out of the goodness of their heart, they want to be the first layer of interaction that accepts your data, hence why they are pushing Chrome and Android so heavily.

I've lost quite a bit of battery on occassions because my Google Maps will turn my GPS/Location services on for 5-6 minutes.

#27 CentralDogma

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 20:59

Mine was already set to on. Maybe I already switched randomly or maybe it was one of the setup options. :dontgetit:

#28 vetTHolman

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 21:28

Tricky, not in the sense of going into settings, and turning ON the option to limit ad-based tracking. Tricky, not in the sense of how ad based tracking itself works : you explained the technicalities of how it works, but that's beyond the point. It's tricky in the sense that the end user has NO option to completely opt-out. Opt out in the truest sense of the word. In case you're wondering, personally, I give two flips about who tracks my device usage or app usage, I'm merely illustrating the point you missed about this discussion.


Alright, by tricky I meant 'hard to do.' And I absolutely agree that all of these setting should be kept together where they belong, which is under the privacy options. But from what Apple says - and they should know, it's their device - enabling to limit ad tracking option does stop any ad related tracking on your phone. Like I said, they say that with it enabled "advertising networks using the Advertising Identifier may no longer gather information to serve you ads." I'm not sure why it's called 'limit,' as opposed to stop, but their description makes it sound like that is exactly what it does. I see no indication that any form of tracking continues when this setting is on. Now, maybe I am wrong, but that's just what I turned up in a few minutes search :) The new Advertising Identifier actually seems to be giving users a much more granular control over their privacy, regardless of wonky setting menu design.

#29 javagreen

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 21:53

I'm not sure why it's called 'limit,' as opposed to stop, but their description makes it sound like that is exactly what it does. I see no indication that any form of tracking continues when this setting is on. Now, maybe I am wrong, but that's just what I turned up in a few minutes search :) The new Advertising Identifier actually seems to be giving users a much more granular control over their privacy, regardless of wonky setting menu design.


All concern related to this would've resolved itself if the option was just called 'Stop' or 'Disable' tracking, however, the fact that it isn't called as such makes me wonder. It does, after all, say that advertisers will no longer gather information to serve you ads - as in interest based ads based on info they've gathered - but instead will now just serve the default ads. It doesn't say they'll stop serving ads.

I'm just basing this off how inline ads work in general, and iOS would be no exception.

In any case, thanks for the info :)

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 21:59

Download BetterBatteryStats. It's doesn't happen 100% of the time, but you'd be surprised at how often Google Maps wakelocks your phone and uses your GPS to determine your location. I can't say exactly what Google is doing with this information, but it's not related to Latitude, and my guess is they are using that location information. There are a lot of posts about this issue, but it seems like it's a concession of having Google Maps. There is no setting that will disable it, other than turning off all of your location services. When you turn on the location services, you even have to click the "Agree" button saying you're ok with Google uploading your anonymous location data in the background, even while nothing is running. Google is no saint, they aren't offering Android out of the goodness of their heart, they want to be the first layer of interaction that accepts your data, hence why they are pushing Chrome and Android so heavily.

I've lost quite a bit of battery on occassions because my Google Maps will turn my GPS/Location services on for 5-6 minutes.


never saw that (Google Maps turning GPS on by it self); in fact today i was seeing what's consuming my battery and, apart from wireless and screen, GPS isn't even the list (didn't used GPS for the whole week).



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