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Yes, we may all be living in the Matrix, say physicists

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German scientists say they've found a way to tell whether or not our universe is a giant computer simulation - and that there's evidence to suggest that it is.

The basis of the idea is that, if the universe is a simulation, then it would have certain observable constraints.

The laws of physics, which appear continuous, would have to be superimposed onto a discrete three-dimensional lattice which advances in steps of time.

This lattice spacing, says Professor Silas Beane of the University of Bonn, would impose an otherwise unnecessary limit on the energy that particles can have, because nothing can exist that is smaller than the lattice itself.

And, he says, precisely such a a cut-off in the spectrum of high energy particles exists: a limit to the energy of cosmic rays known as the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greisen%E2%80%93Zatsepin%E2%80%93Kuzmin_limit]Greisen

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LOL! Love it

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God is an automaton!

Now, whether, if we were ever to prove, even discover, such a matrix, it would be because we had been ultimately allowed (or expected) to do so (by "the GM") or because this matrix has malfunctioned - and if so, whether on its own nature or because of a third party - and if so, whether it's benevolent, uninterested, evil or of blue/orange mentality altogether? And will we be forcibly stopped (with a reboot, perhaps) anywhere mid-point or right before the realization of the apex?

And once we find it, it'll have to go.

Yes, I like this more than most other things :)

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If the world around us is a virtual simulation you can think of the real world in the same way as you would a video game. The definition of a boundary in a video game is a place that developers do not want the player to go, mostly because of lack of content. What happens when you no clip and continue going in the same direction? You go into a void, that could feasibly explain away the universe expanding into nothing.

Are they saying this test, if its correct, means that if you could go to the edge of the universe you couldn't walk through it? I thought we already proved that because the universe is expanding faster than the speed of light?

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If the world around us is a virtual simulation you can think of the real world in the same way as you would a video game. The definition of a boundary in a video game is a place that developers do not want the player to go, mostly because of lack of content. What happens when you no clip and continue going in the same direction? You go into a void, that could feasibly explain away the universe expanding into nothing.

Are they saying this test, if its correct, means that if you could go to the edge of the universe you couldn't walk through it? I thought we already proved that because the universe is expanding faster than the speed of light?

You get to the edge and you need to buy more DLC.

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You get to the edge and you need to buy more DLC.

Haha. You made my water go up my nose. :rofl:

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Computer... end program.

Hmm, what's the password?

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Computer... end program.

Hmm, what's the password?

isn't it "password"?

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I have to say this is BS. This all assumes simulation works like a computer simulation but we have no idea and there is no way to prove it either way.

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Pure conjecture. You humans waist so much of your finite existence on trivial things.

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It must run on windows 7, it's not that often I look up and see a bluescreen :p

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Pure conjecture. You humans waist so much of your finite existence on trivial things.

Those tiny things have let the mankind into what it is now O_O

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Pure conjecture. You humans waist so much of your finite existence on trivial things.

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So that would mean when/if the world ends, it's either the result of the decay of the HDD, end of program parameters, someone tampering(hacking) the system or whoever(14yr old hacker) programmed the system is doing a reboot. Science at it's best. :huh:

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I've heard of theories like this, but I don't believe them myself. My problem is two factor, evolution and consciousness (or sentience, if you prefer). In essence, over billions of years, life originated and evolved to create consciousness. Simply put, I don't understand how something non-physical could spawn conscious experience.

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Give me ma red pill!!

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Nothing is true.

Everything is permitted.

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Nothing is true.

Everything is permitted.

In other a news, Warner Bros were forced to withdraw the box office hit trilogy; Matrix, following a massive number of people attempted to fly, plummeting to their deaths.

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I've heard of theories like this, but I don't believe them myself. My problem is two factor, evolution and consciousness (or sentience, if you prefer). In essence, over billions of years, life originated and evolved to create consciousness. Simply put, I don't understand how something non-physical could spawn conscious experience.

This is stupid because a computer IS physical. The question intelligent people ask is not how the non-physical could spawn conscious experience, but rather how something physical can spawn it. What exactly is the non-physical anyways?

I just want to remark that, one thing this paper is reminding us, is that THERE COULD be a god. Because if the universe was a simulation, there could be intelligences who made it, and to us they would effectively be gods. Heck, they could send our digital 'souls' to heaven and hell when we died, if they wanted to do that.

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This is stupid because a computer IS physical. The question intelligent people ask is not how the non-physical could spawn conscious experience, but rather how something physical can spawn it. What exactly is the non-physical anyways?

The non-physical is the simulation, i.e. The Matrix. There are ways to end conscious experience through medical drugs, but the person will regain consciousness as the drugs effect wears off. If the drugs are merely part of the simulation, how does it make sense that they can temporarily take away conscious experience?

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The non-physical is the simulation, i.e. The Matrix. There are ways to end conscious experience through medical drugs, but the person will regain consciousness as the drugs effect wears off. If the drugs are merely part of the simulation, how does it make sense that they can temporarily take away conscious experience?

The person's "thinking" aka "per-frame" function pointer gets changed to a different thinking aka "per-frame" function?

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I've heard of theories like this, but I don't believe them myself. My problem is two factor, evolution and consciousness (or sentience, if you prefer). In essence, over billions of years, life originated and evolved to create consciousness. Simply put, I don't understand how something non-physical could spawn conscious experience.

you make an interesting point but consciousness is simply the ability to understand current situation and store memories along with free will ... free will is what I would describe conciousness and whether or not we are in a digital or physical world those elements remain the same.... everything with experience is electrical impulses get the right frequency jolted into the brain and you could smell a dinosaurs fart (note dinosaurs being extinct ;D )

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