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Posted 14 October 2012 - 17:12

I've heard of theories like this, but I don't believe them myself. My problem is two factor, evolution and consciousness (or sentience, if you prefer). In essence, over billions of years, life originated and evolved to create consciousness. Simply put, I don't understand how something non-physical could spawn conscious experience.


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 17:16

Give me ma red pill!!

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 17:19

Nothing is true.

Everything is permitted.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 17:28

Nothing is true.

Everything is permitted.

In other a news, Warner Bros were forced to withdraw the box office hit trilogy; Matrix, following a massive number of people attempted to fly, plummeting to their deaths.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 17:43

I've heard of theories like this, but I don't believe them myself. My problem is two factor, evolution and consciousness (or sentience, if you prefer). In essence, over billions of years, life originated and evolved to create consciousness. Simply put, I don't understand how something non-physical could spawn conscious experience.

This is stupid because a computer IS physical. The question intelligent people ask is not how the non-physical could spawn conscious experience, but rather how something physical can spawn it. What exactly is the non-physical anyways?

I just want to remark that, one thing this paper is reminding us, is that THERE COULD be a god. Because if the universe was a simulation, there could be intelligences who made it, and to us they would effectively be gods. Heck, they could send our digital 'souls' to heaven and hell when we died, if they wanted to do that.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 17:48

This is stupid because a computer IS physical. The question intelligent people ask is not how the non-physical could spawn conscious experience, but rather how something physical can spawn it. What exactly is the non-physical anyways?

The non-physical is the simulation, i.e. The Matrix. There are ways to end conscious experience through medical drugs, but the person will regain consciousness as the drugs effect wears off. If the drugs are merely part of the simulation, how does it make sense that they can temporarily take away conscious experience?

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 22:00

The non-physical is the simulation, i.e. The Matrix. There are ways to end conscious experience through medical drugs, but the person will regain consciousness as the drugs effect wears off. If the drugs are merely part of the simulation, how does it make sense that they can temporarily take away conscious experience?


The person's "thinking" aka "per-frame" function pointer gets changed to a different thinking aka "per-frame" function?

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 20:26

I've heard of theories like this, but I don't believe them myself. My problem is two factor, evolution and consciousness (or sentience, if you prefer). In essence, over billions of years, life originated and evolved to create consciousness. Simply put, I don't understand how something non-physical could spawn conscious experience.


you make an interesting point but consciousness is simply the ability to understand current situation and store memories along with free will ... free will is what I would describe conciousness and whether or not we are in a digital or physical world those elements remain the same.... everything with experience is electrical impulses get the right frequency jolted into the brain and you could smell a dinosaurs fart (note dinosaurs being extinct ;D )

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 20:33