+Warwagon MVC Posted October 15, 2012 MVC Share Posted October 15, 2012 I?ve never been a fan of the .net framework. It always takes forever to install and back in the XP days most machines didn?t have it. Well .net still takes forever to install but in Windows 7 anything that required.net ?Just workes?. Now in Windows 8 all of that is changing again. Last night I went to open up ?Patchmypc? on my windows 8 machine. I was prompted that I did not have 2.0 or 3.5 and it gave me the option to install it. So I clicked install and 5 mins later it had downloaded and installed and I could use ?Patchmypc?. This was never an issue on windows 7 it just worked. Now I?m becoming annoyed with .net all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siah1214 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I?ve never been a fan of the .net framework. It always takes forever to install and back in the XP days most machines didn?t have it. Well .net still takes forever to install but in Windows 7 anything that required.net ?Just workes?. Now in Windows 8 all of that is changing again. Last night I went to open up ?Patchmypc? on my windows 8 machine. I was prompted that I did not have 2.0 or 3.5 and it gave me the option to install it. So I clicked install and 5 mins later it had downloaded and installed and I could use ?Patchmypc?. This was never an issue on windows 7 it just worked. Now I?m becoming annoyed with .net all over again. I?ve never been a fan of the .net framework. It always takes forever to install and back in the XP days most machines didn?t have it. Well .net still takes forever to install but in Windows 7 anything that required.net ?Just workes?. Now in Windows 8 all of that is changing again. Last night I went to open up ?Patchmypc? on my windows 8 machine. I was prompted that I did not have 2.0 or 3.5 and it gave me the option to install it. So I clicked install and 5 mins later it had downloaded and installed and I could use ?Patchmypc?. This was never an issue on windows 7 it just worked. Now I?m becoming annoyed with .net all over again. I don't know WTF you're talking about because .Net never "just worked" on 7.... can't tell you how much of a huge pain in the ass .net is for when you're trying to deploy applications, not matter what OS they're running. oliver182 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qdave Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I think in Windows 8 there is only .net 4.5, which might not be backward compatable to 2.0. Anyway blame developers for using old stuff, not windows 8 :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted October 15, 2012 Author MVC Share Posted October 15, 2012 I don't know WTF you're talking about because .Net never "just worked" on 7.... can't tell you how much of a huge pain in the ass .net is for when you're trying to deploy applications, not matter what OS they're running. Well in the case of applications that required dotnet 2.0 like patchmypc and CDburner XP they always "just worked". Now they don't anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison H. Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I think they decided to not include 3.5 by default was to try to push towards the newer 4.X versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Live Veteran Posted October 15, 2012 Veteran Share Posted October 15, 2012 Every version of Windows ships with the newest version of the framework. Windows 8 ships with version 4.5. Most apps should run against it regardless of what they were written for, but if the app author specified that a specific version was required (i.e. 2.0-3.5 in your case) then it will be downloaded and installed on-demand. Including this by default would have taken up significant disk space when most people will never use it. Even in cases like yours, this step will go away if the app author removes the version requirement from their app, or builds it against .NET 4.x. oliver182 and Stoffel 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZakO Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I?ve never been a fan of the .net framework. It always takes forever to install and back in the XP days most machines didn?t have it. Well .net still takes forever to install but in Windows 7 anything that required.net ?Just workes?. Now in Windows 8 all of that is changing again. Last night I went to open up ?Patchmypc? on my windows 8 machine. I was prompted that I did not have 2.0 or 3.5 and it gave me the option to install it. So I clicked install and 5 mins later it had downloaded and installed and I could use ?Patchmypc?. This was never an issue on windows 7 it just worked. Now I?m becoming annoyed with .net all over again. Windows 7 includes the .NET 3.5 runtime (which has support for .NET 3.5, 3.0 and 2.0) Windows 8 includes the .NET 4.5 runtime (which has support for .NET 4.5 and 4.0) As you stated in your post, if you have an app built with < .NET 4.0 you simply have to click "yes" and it installs the framework with no problems. What is there to be 'annoyed' about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jygoro Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 A faster way to install .net 2/3 support is using dism dism.exe /online /enable-feature /featurename:NetFX3 /Source:X:\sources\sxs being X: the pendrive/DVD drive with Windows iso content phailyoor 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted October 15, 2012 Author MVC Share Posted October 15, 2012 Windows 7 includes the .NET 3.5 runtime (which has support for .NET 3.5, 3.0 and 2.0) Windows 8 includes the .NET 4.5 runtime (which has support for .NET 4.5 and 4.0) As you stated in your post, if you have an app built with < .NET 4.0 you simply have to click "yes" and it installs the framework with no problems. What is there to be 'annoyed' about? Because of how long .net takes to install. Do you know .net 4 can sometimes take more than 5 minutes to install? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qdave Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Cant you spare 5 mins? It's not like you have to install it every day ;) xfx and oliver182 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted October 15, 2012 Author MVC Share Posted October 15, 2012 Cant you spare 5 mins? It's not like you have to install it every day ;) In the case of patchmypc I run it on every machine I work on. (though in this case he could fix it in his code) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun N. Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I'm not a fan of Windows 8 but this thread just sounds like crying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted October 15, 2012 Author MVC Share Posted October 15, 2012 I'm not a fan of Windows 8 but this thread just sounds like crying. Not crying, just saying never was an issue on windows 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calum Veteran Posted October 15, 2012 Veteran Share Posted October 15, 2012 Not crying, just saying never was an issue on windows 7. That's because .NET Framework 3.5 was the latest version 3 whole years ago, when Windows 7 was released. You can't blame Microsoft for this, when the developer has had over 2 years to update their app (since .NET Framework 4.0 was released). It isn't Microsoft's fault that his app "just worked" on Windows 7 and it doesn't on Windows 8; it's up to the developer to ensure their app works. Microsoft doesn't update developers' apps for them, and you can't expect them to. Brandon H and Roger H. 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Live Veteran Posted October 15, 2012 Veteran Share Posted October 15, 2012 Not crying, just saying never was an issue on windows 7. Actually the exact same issue existed on Windows 7 for apps which required .NET 1.x. The main thing that's changed in Windows 8 is that instead of the older versions being on the install disc, the bits are now downloaded from WU. This saves space on install discs / OEM images, and ensures you always get the latest version (versus having to install the on-disc one, then download the latest SP and security updates). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGHammer Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 That's because .NET Framework 3.5 was the latest version 3 whole years ago, when Windows 7 was released. You can't blame Microsoft for this, when the developer has had over 2 years to update his app (since .NET Framework 4.0 was released). It isn't Microsoft's fault that his app "just worked" on Windows 7 and it doesn't on Windows 8; it's up to the developer to ensure their app works. Microsoft doesn't update developers' apps for them, and you can't expect them to. Precisely. As I myself have pointed out, whenever any application need an older version of *any* runtime (.NET, DirectX, VC++, etc.) Windows 8 goes and fetches it if it's not already installed - and it only has to do it *once*. I have two games (NFS: Hot Pursuit 2010 and DCUO) that require .NET 3.x; which one triggers the fetch depends on which order I install them in. However, it's ONLY triggered once. That means that by the time Office 2013 Preview gets installed (typically the last application or suite TO get installed) my runtimes have been *caught up*. Calum 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhianntp Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Windows 8 is a step backwards for everything outside of MS store app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArialBlue Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Well at least it doesn't do a cryptic error or fail silently. I hate when that happens - Do not have Visual C++ runtime 2005 - well I am going to silently fail on you and laugh at your almost futile attempts at searching the net for a solution. This "you need old version of .Net" is properly done IMO. Fast and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfirth Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 On the contrary, it seems that it's a step forward in Windows 8. If it's not already installed, it provides a very nice and easy option to install it ahhell 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenJ Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Another joke from Warwagon. 3.5/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
articuno1au Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 It's definitely a step forward. Even better is that you can use the Windows Deployment tools to have Windows auto install it if you want, and you can enable it from "Add Windows Features". Also, my install took about 2 minutes of downloading on terrible net and about 1.5 minutes of install. It might be due to my SSD, but I never remember .net installing that slowly.. EDIT:: The only step back is that IIS automatically uses 4.x as the framework target regardless of what you specify. Thus certain configs (like default document/connection info) bomb out if you are using an older frame work in your build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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