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#31 Lee G.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 14:54

I have Windows 7 and would like to replace it with Windows 8. However, I would like to keep my retail Windows 7 license rather than upgrade it, so I can use it on another computer. I would instead like to upgrade my Windows Vista license that I had installed before Windows 7. Do I have to install Windows Vista and then run the upgrade assistant?


#32 Javik

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 14:55

Did you ever have a qualifying copy of Windows on any of your machines? From what I can gather the qualifying copy doesn't have to be installed, you just need to have a valid license for it :) Still, I can't see them beating your door down for it, if you're purchasing a licence you're still making an attempt to own your software legally!

I have Windows 7 and would like to replace it with Windows 8. However, I would like to keep my retail Windows 7 license rather than upgrade it, so I can use it on another computer. I would instead like to upgrade my Windows Vista license that I had installed before Windows 7. Do I have to install Windows Vista and then run the upgrade assistant?


From what I gather, again, the qualifying licence doesn't have to be the one you use to do the upgrade, you just need to have a qualifying licence somewhere so I think you should be safe ;)

#33 +FaiKee

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 14:59

How about the £14.99 key? From what I hear that's more limited and can only be used (non transferrably) on a single PC?.

Both are the same, retail keys not bundled to a machine, bound by the 1 key 1 machine rule(of course).

#34 soulburner

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 15:00

I don't have anything to prove I had a Windows license once.
But... I ran the Windows Upgrade Assistant on my RP and it gave me the option to buy the full version for $39.99!

edit - additional question. If I change my PC's hardware and Windows becomes deactivated (let's say, I exchange my faulty motherboard with a new one), can I reactivate it, or is it bound to this one machine only?

#35 threetonesun

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 15:02

Thanks to all of you for your input. So to confirm -

The upgrade key is effectively just a full retail key, clean install can be performed regardless of whether a previous copy of windows is detected AND the license can be transferred to a new computer if desired?

That. Is. Awesome.


Technically, this should be true. What the EULA states, I have no idea.

My understanding was that the OEM copy of Windows 8 was single use, mostly for people building computers to sell to others. So, since there is no other full version around, the upgrade copy would stand to be the full version for everyone else.

#36 Javik

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 15:02

Both are the same, retail keys not bundled to a machine, bound by the 1 key 1 machine rule(of course).


How sure are you about that, because the evidence I am seeing in this thread is conflicting? As someone who upgrades regularly I wouldn't want to buy the 14.99 key only to find I was unable to transfer it?

I don't have anything to prove I had a Windows license once.
But... I ran the Windows Upgrade Assistant on my RP and it gave me the option to buy the full version for $39.99!


Legally I'm not sure then, I guess someone here will know the answer though, however your purchased copy will still work

#37 +FaiKee

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 15:09

How sure are you about that, because the evidence I am seeing in this thread is conflicting? As someone who upgrades regularly I wouldn't want to buy the 14.99 key only to find I was unable to transfer it?

As I said, a PCBeta guy asked MS China, so I guess the best thing to do is to ask MS customer service at your end, if Lady India tells you the same thing, then everybody is happy. :)

#38 Javik

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 15:20

Hopefully Brandon will show up and answer these questions soon enough, there still seems to be a lot of confusion.

#39 o2558804rtrtrcom

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 15:56

It might not be such easy.

The http://windows.micro...ctivate-windows states:

If you see error 0xC004F061 when you try to activate Windows 8, it means that you're using a product key for an upgrade version of Windows 8 and a previous version of Windows wasn't on your PC when Windows 8 was installed. To install an upgrade version of Windows 8, you must already have Windows 7, Windows Vista, or Windows XP installed on your PC.

If you formatted the drive before the upgrade version of Windows 8 was installed, you won't be able to use your upgrade product key to activate Windows 8. To activate Windows 8, you'll need to install your previous version of Windows, and then reinstall Windows 8. For help with the activation process, contact support.


I see some difficulties there. Initially, the customer has Win 7 license and purchased an upgrade to Win 8. At that very time, it loses the Win 7 license as it is replaced by Win 8 license. In the beginning (aka at the time of the purchase) the customer might have the WIn 7 installed and activated, so it can upgrade to Win 8. However, after a hardware failure, the customer is not legally allowed to install Win 7 again (as it no longer have that license), so the customer is not able to process the technical upgrade any more. So it depends how the checks are implemented which might result in the quoted activation error message.

Edit: I have spoken with the Microsoft activation line and after their internal discussion they have agreed on the following.
1) Each time you install the Windows 8 upgrade license it needs to be physically installed as an upgrade from a previous version Windows (ie. it could not be installed on a clean disk). If you install the Windows 8 upgrade license on a clean disk, you need to go through the Microsoft phone activation line and have a call with a live person which provides you a separate code which "fixes" the activation error caused by the clean install.
2) As the Windows 8 upgrade license can be transfered to another computer in the future, you are making just a temporary license replace (upgrade) - ie. after you unassign the Windows 8 upgrade license from a particular computer, you are again a legal user of the license you have upgraded from on that particular computer. When you later on install the WIndows 8 upgrade on another computer, you temporarily "loose" the license you are upgrading from on that another computer. In other words, to use Windows 8 on a computer, you need to assign two licenses to that computer, a previous version of Windows and the upgrade license. These two are not permanently connected, so after removing Windows 8 from that computer you have again two separate licenses, the previous version and the upgrade.

Hope this clears most of the confusions about the Windows 8 upgrade license.

#40 OP Axel

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 16:47

Okay, so conflicting information now. Has anyone managed a clean install AND had no issues activating? I really don't wanna have to dig out my old copy of Vista to do this properly.

#41 Doli

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 16:54

I have Windows 8 ready to install from my USB but I wanted to keep an .iso copy but the upgrade assistane wont let me go back and if i try to run it again it goes into install mode. Do anyone know where the .iso is downloaded so i can save it?


edit: Nevermind I ran the "install Windows" program again (3rd time) and it gave me the option to install to .iso

#42 hobsgrg

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 19:25

How sure are you about that, because the evidence I am seeing in this thread is conflicting? As someone who upgrades regularly I wouldn't want to buy the 14.99 key only to find I was unable to transfer it?



Legally I'm not sure then, I guess someone here will know the answer though, however your purchased copy will still work


You get the same type of key, the only difference is you get a discount in the checkout process with the lower price

#43 SiliconGod

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 23:02

Does the license that comes with the $40 Online Upgrade download support both 32bit and 64bit installs?

I have an older AMD system right now with only 3GB of DDR. I plan to upgrade early next year. So I want to upgrade my Win 7 Pro (32bit) to Win 8 Pro, also 32bit. But then later, after I a major hardware upgrade, I would want to install 64bit Win 8 Pro.
Would this be possible with the Online Upgrade license, or would I need to but an OEM copy from a retailer?

I'm hoping someone can answer, because I haven't seen this addressed anywhere.


Thanks!

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#44 freeza

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 23:43

So, If I go to best buy and get Windows 8 Pro for $69 and bring it home, will I be able to install it on a freshly formatted drive with no prior OS?

#45 Jose_49

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 03:53

Guys is it possible to purchase the upgrade key only (the one which costs 40$) without downloading Win 8 all over again? I have it as an .iso



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