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#31 theyarecomingforyou

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 15:59

He was still a damn good person and role model. The people that wanna shame him should be ashamed of themselves for being such pitiful jealous babies that throw a fit when someone is better then them.


Cheating and fraud are characteristics antithesis to the concept of being a "good person" and a "role model". Further, it's unfathomable that you could suggest people are jealous when it is patently apparent people are outraged that he defrauded the sport and brought shame to the US. You are clearly not being objective or rational. However, I cannot stop people deluding themselves as to his innocence and if people can't look at the situation objectively then I think that reflects poorly on them. It's no different to the people who believe who 9/11 was an inside job, that the moon landings were faked, that climate change isn't real or who believe Obama isn't really a US citizen - people would rather believe in a massive conspiracy than an inconvenient truth.

There seems to be a disconnect when it comes to people's opinions of celebrities and common sense. People invest emotionally in a brand and refuse to accept anything that tarnishes that image for embarrassment that they were deceived, that their judgement isn't perfect. The evidence strongly points to his guilt, hence why he was stripped of the medals - this isn't just the word of a few people against him. Could it all be an elaborate and extremely well orchestrated conspiracy against him? Sure, but there is no evidence to suggest that and evidence should always be the basis for a belief. If people are so outraged at the idea of eyewitness testimony then it may be time to petition the government for a complete overhaul of the criminal justice system, as I hear it's occasionally used in a court of law.


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Posted 22 October 2012 - 16:04

hey they are just overclocking thier systems... just like hardcore gamers do... it's thier body so whatever... if they wanna do that and possibly **** themselves over but still win... that's fine.... all the hardcore gamers that have overclocked systems still are good gamers, they just are smarter for overclocking and getting the extra FPS to do better.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 16:06

hey they are just overclocking thier systems... just like hardcore gamers do... it's thier body so whatever... if they wanna do that and possibly **** themselves over but still win... that's fine.... all the hardcore gamers that have overclocked systems still are good gamers, they just are smarter for overclocking and getting the extra FPS to do better.


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Posted 22 October 2012 - 16:30

Till I see actual PROOF that he doped and not the tainted "testimony" of other cheaters then it still boils down to jealousy, if the French who took pints of his blood could not find anything and I guarantee you they tested for every conceivable thing you could possibly test blood, then it's still a witch hunt, and Lance just giving up because he's tired of the BS proves nothing other than harassing a person will make them eventually give up

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 16:57

hey they are just overclocking thier systems... just like hardcore gamers do... it's thier body so whatever... if they wanna do that and possibly **** themselves over but still win... that's fine.... all the hardcore gamers that have overclocked systems still are good gamers, they just are smarter for overclocking and getting the extra FPS to do better.


And if Lance Armstrong had set up his own cycling league for cheats then it wouldn't have been an issue. However, he broke the rules of the sport and committed fraud by misrepresenting his business dealings. He tried to pass himself off as a legitimate sportsman when the evidence overwhelmingly points to the contrary. Your excuses are getting pretty desperate.


Till I see actual PROOF that he doped and not the tainted "testimony" of other cheaters then it still boils down to jealousy, if the French who took pints of his blood could not find anything and I guarantee you they tested for every conceivable thing you could possibly test blood, then it's still a witch hunt, and Lance just giving up because he's tired of the BS proves nothing other than harassing a person will make them eventually give up


They have more evidence that the testimony of others:

USADA said the evidence includes "direct documentary evidence including financial payments, emails, scientific data and laboratory test results that further prove the use, possession and distribution of performance enhancing drugs by Lance Armstrong and confirm the disappointing truth about the deceptive activities of the USPS Team, a team that received tens of millions of American taxpayer dollars in funding."

It's also worth pointing out that his teammates went through the same drug testing and managed to avoid detection, so the lack of a positive result is not proof of his innocence. It's naive - and verging on delusional - to believe that 'passing' the drugs tests in any way supports his innocence. Further, the idea that it's a massive conspiracy against him just isn't plausible and there isn't any evidence to support that. We have testimony from a dozen of his teammates implicating him; financial payments; emails; drug tests (yes, they went back and found evidence he was using hormones and EPO). It was grounds enough to strip him of his titles, so it's more than just a few unreliable people making baseless claims.

One aspect that doesn't seem to have got much attention is that the team received millions of dollars from the US government. It seems Americans are always whining about wasteful government spending yet nobody seems to be criticising the giving of millions of dollars to a team full of cheats.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 17:09

Don't forget that the Livestrong Foundation has raised about $500 Million so far. Whether or not you respect the guy as an athlete anymore, you have to respect that he has helped tens or hundreds of thousands of people due to his foundation efforts.

I've worn the yellow band and I've participated in his fundraising events, so he'll always be a hero in my book.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 17:25

A cheater won in the age of cheating. He will still be the winner of those races in my book...just like Barry Bonds is the home run king in my book.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 17:29

Don't forget that the Livestrong Foundation has raised about $500 Million so far. Whether or not you respect the guy as an athlete anymore, you have to respect that he has helped tens or hundreds of thousands of people due to his foundation efforts.


While I don't have any respect for him as a sportsman or as an individual he has obviously done a lot for charity and that should certainly be recognised. He still has the potential to be a good role model for people but - assuming he is guilty as the evidence suggests - he can only do that by admitting that he cheated and asking for forgiveness from his fans and his country. My concern is that the arrogance that lead him to cheat in the first place will prevent him from admitting his guilt. He has already been stripped of his medals and titles, so there really isn't any point protesting his innocence any more.


A cheater won in the age of cheating. He will still be the winner of those races in my book...just like Barry Bonds is the home run king in my book.


Trying to rationalise cheating is irrational.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 17:30

While I don't have any respect for him as a sportsman or as an individual he has obviously done a lot for charity and that should certainly be recognised. He still has the potential to be a good role model for people but - assuming he is guilty as the evidence suggests - he can only do that by admitting that he cheated and asking for forgiveness from his fans and his country. My concern is that the arrogance that lead him to cheat in the first place will prevent him from admitting his guilt. He has already been stripped of his medals and titles, so there really isn't any point protesting his innocence any more.




Trying to rationalise cheating is irrational.


I'm not trying to rationalize cheating, I'm just saying that it happened on a wide scale and we can't turn back the clock. Take the wins for what they are, tainted wins. All my opinion of course.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 17:43

Don't forget that the Livestrong Foundation has raised about $500 Million so far. Whether or not you respect the guy as an athlete anymore, you have to respect that he has helped tens or hundreds of thousands of people due to his foundation efforts.

I've worn the yellow band and I've participated in his fundraising events, so he'll always be a hero in my book.

About that....

http://www.outsideon...e-Lab-Rats.html

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 18:06

I'm not trying to rationalize cheating, I'm just saying that it happened on a wide scale and we can't turn back the clock. Take the wins for what they are, tainted wins. All my opinion of course.


No, you should take the wins for what they were: invalid. It has been determined that he cheated and he has been stripped of the titles. You can't simply make up your own version of the results when you don't agree with the real results.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 18:15

He was probably competing against other folks who were all doping. But that doesn't really matter. He deserves to be made an example of. What's more disgraceful is that he is still denying the overwhelming evidence against him.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 18:20

Well if he was so doped, then they could've easily came up with actual proof. it's all bs.


they said it was the worlds most sophisticated doping environment ever, so it's most likely they were a few steps ahead of current dope detection methods.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 18:24

No, you should take the wins for what they were: invalid. It has been determined that he cheated and he has been stripped of the titles. You can't simply make up your own version of the results when you don't agree with the real results.


Exactly. And the real results are that Lance Armstrong crossed the finish line first. Now all of these agencies are trying to make up their own version of the results because they don't agree with how the real results were attained.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 18:30

I feel as if I have no reason to look up to any athlete anymore. Time to become fat!