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#136 Dot Matrix

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 19:14

as it's very difficult to read text across the full width of the screen.


You read left to right everywhere else, what makes digital different?


#137 jakem1

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 19:31

You read left to right everywhere else, what makes digital different?


To be fair, it is hard to read right across the screen on a 30" monitor at native resolution and it's not well suited to full screen apps.

#138 threetonesun

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 19:51

Most websites do not expand infinitely, but yes, fullscreen on a 30'' monitor at native resolution is a bit silly.

#139 PGHammer

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 20:14

Ars said that? How they have fallen.

You can call them what ever you'd like. They are still Metro-apps. They works perfectly fine on all platforms. Once the market starts taking advantage of them, we will see a ecosystem like no other.


Also, compare HootSuite (Win32) to MetroTwit (RT/ModernUI) and see which Twitter application YOU like best - both are third-party full-screen Twitter applications. (In my case, HootSuite was replaced by MetroTwit - remember, I own nary a single portable PC, and Windows 8 is my OS of choice - BY choice.)

#140 theyarecomingforyou

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 23:36

You read left to right everywhere else, what makes digital different?


Clearly you haven't used a high resolution display before. The extreme width makes it more difficult to follow which line you're reading and it's hard to discern paragraphs when they look like only a couple of really wide sentences - it looks very unnatural. To demonstrate:

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#141 NightScreams

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 00:27

To be fair, it is hard to read right across the screen on a 30" monitor at native resolution and it's not well suited to full screen apps.


mine is a 40". no issues with reading

#142 ITFiend

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 02:41

what is weird that most non-microsoft metro apps will launch, while a lot of MS made metro apps will not start.

Faulting application name: Solitaire.exe, version: 1.0.0.0, time stamp: 0x504e83e4

Server Editions of Windows 2012, 2008 R2, and 2008 are never 100% complete when it comes to gaming. There are always a few critical DLL’s missing, even after the Desktop Experience feature is enabled. Sadly this has been the case for the last three editions of Windows Server. Depends on the title, but eventually you find the ones that cannot work on Server without a tiny bit of leg work on your part.
  • Add the following Roles:
  • Hyper-V
  • Or your virtualization platform of choice. Use this and install a legally licensed copy of Windows 8 for your desktop. You will use this to rip the missing components that will be added to Server 2012.
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  • Add the following Features:
    • .NET Framework 3.5 Features\.NET Framework 3.5 (includes .NET 2.0 and 3.0)
    • If you are planning to play older desktop titles, install this feature now rather than waiting. Many games will attempt to install an invalid version of .NET intended for Desktops if this is not already present, and then the game installer will either abort or crash.
  • User Interfaces and Infrastructure\Desktop Experience
  • Now, to resolve all the problems with Modern UI games crashing on Server 2012
  • Install Windows 8 in Hyper-V and once its fully complete shutdown
  • Locate your installed Windows 8 VHDX file, right click, and mount
  • Now locate the following missing files in Windows 8 and add them to the same location in Server 2012:
  • .\Windows\System32\XAudio2_8.dll
  • .\Windows\System32\XInput1_4.dll
  • .\Windows\System32\XInput9_1_0.dll
  • .\Windows\System32\en-US\XAudio2_8.dll.mui
  • .\Windows\System32\en-US\XInput1_4.dll.mui
  • .\Windows\System32\en-US\XInput9_1_0.dll.mui
  • .\Windows\SysWOW64\XAudio2_8.dll
  • .\Windows\SysWOW64\XInput1_4.dll
  • .\Windows\SysWOW64\XInput9_1_0.dll
  • .\Windows\SysWOW64\en-US\XAudio2_8.dll.mui
  • .\Windows\SysWOW64\en-US\XInput1_4.dll.mui
  • .\Windows\SysWOW64\en-US\XInput9_1_0.dll.mui
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If you discover your missing other things required for older desktop games, I recommend looking at guides that show you how to turn both Server 2008 R2 and Server 2012 into a Workstation. I do not however recommend taking or trusting any third party’s Windows files and injecting them into your copy of Windows. You should only use your own trusted, legal, installs of the Windows desktop as your source. There are also guides if you want the Windows 8 performance tools to work on Server 2012.

#143 Dot Matrix

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 02:42

So, everyone wants a big monitor, and then complain about all the ergonomic issues that result? Why not increase your DPI? I have a 22 inch monitor, and my DPI is set at 125%.

#144 PGHammer

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 03:15

mine is a 40". no issues with reading

And the issue he is referring to is a site-design/page-design mismatch issue to the viewer of the site/page - the mismatch can be to the resolution of the viewer (most common) or even something as simple-yet-as-awkward as a browser-style mismatch. It is, in fact, one of THE most frustrating things for a sitemaster/webmaster to deal with - but deal with it he must. (It does NOT help when mobile browsers must also be deal with.)

#145 zhangm

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 03:21

mine is a 40". no issues with reading


And what is the resolution of this 40 inch display?

#146 x-byte

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 08:50

You think so? I feel like they have a pretty high-quality series of articles on Win8/RT going right now. I especially enjoyed the one about WinRT that Peter Bright wrote.

They have good articles. Not arguing that. I just feel the standard at Ars have been reduced.

#147 CronicHazel

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:19

I will never use Windows 8. I see no reason to.


what if it's a lot faster? :o

#148 xWhiplash

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 12:31

And what is the resolution of this 40 inch display?


Exactly my question. It seems that after 30", you get lower resolutions again. The highest would be close to 1920x1080, which I have on my 22.5" monitor.

#149 1941

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 13:15

Blamer said that there will never be a traditional start button because the entire start page is a start screen. Reminds me of when I used to use Windows 3.1.

#150 jakem1

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 13:36

mine is a 40". no issues with reading


And what's the resolution of your monitor? There's a big difference between a 1920x1080 40" monitor and a 2560x1600 30" monitor. Just take a look at the screenshots theyarecomingforyou posted right above your post and you'll see the difficulties you face at that resolution.

So, everyone wants a big monitor, and then complain about all the ergonomic issues that result? Why not increase your DPI? I have a 22 inch monitor, and my DPI is set at 125%.


That's not the point. He wants a high-res 30" monitor so he has more screen real estate available for open windows. Telling him to change the DPI so he can run applications full screen isn't going to help him is it. It's clear that Metro apps aren't designed for niche situations like theyarecomingforyou's which is fine because he doesn't have to use those apps.