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Posted 30 October 2012 - 18:04

You might say this is because the new style start menu was tested and very well received for two versions prior to removing. Unlike Windows 8 which just throws everything out the door and forces the new UI on you without option.

but you do have option, several to be precise. they may not come directly from Microsoft but they are still there none the less


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Posted 30 October 2012 - 18:05

yes it did, but 7 didn't have the redundant "classic" start menu that was still present in XP and Vista. that's what i'm sayin


The point is Microsoft should have left the Start button there and give us, the users, the option to use it or not, not just remove it because they feel we don't want it or need it anymore. That is typical Apple attitude and very disrespectful to the user. We should always have options. Like the option to boot on either Metro or classic desktop. That too is not an option unless you install Start8 and I think that is ridiculous of Microsoft not to allow us to choose what interface we want to boot Windows with. Not cool.

Metro is a great interface for tablets, but not for a desktop and the Start button should have never been removed.,

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 18:07

The point is Microsoft should have left the Start button there and give us, the users, the option to use it or not, not just remove it because they feel we don't want it or need it anymore. That is typical Apple attitude and very disrespectful to the user. We should always have options. Like the option to boot on either Metro or classic desktop. That too is not an option unless you install Start8 and I think that is ridiculous of Microsoft not to allow us to choose what interface we want to boot Windows with. Not cool.

Metro is a great interface for tablets, but not for a desktop and the Start button should have never been removed.,

what are you talking about, the start button wasn't removed, it just doesn't appear till you move your mouse to the bottom left corner

seriously, all this whining about a "button", that in essence wasn't truly removed

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 18:32

Wait till you see how these numbers change when people start asking for their money back and reverting back to Windows 7.

Most people don't have a clue what Windows 8 is like. So they upgraded because it was cheap. Boasting about $30-$40 upgrade and how you sold 4 million copies of the whole new operating system is pretty sad to be honest.

For that money, Microsoft Windows users who upgrade should be a couple of times higher number than that considering their marketshare.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 19:21

Wait till you see how these numbers change when people start asking for their money back and reverting back to Windows 7.

Most people don't have a clue what Windows 8 is like. So they upgraded because it was cheap. Boasting about $30-$40 upgrade and how you sold 4 million copies of the whole new operating system is pretty sad to be honest.

For that money, Microsoft Windows users who upgrade should be a couple of times higher number than that considering their marketshare.


The people buying the $40 downloads are going to be tech literate. They know what their getting into.

Worry about the people buying boxed retail or that are getting it bundled with a new PC.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 19:35

I must be one of the only people that isn't bothered by the Metro stuff on a desktop.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 20:23

what are you talking about, the start button wasn't removed, it just doesn't appear till you move your mouse to the bottom left corner

seriously, all this whining about a "button", that in essence wasn't truly removed



You must be blind then if you can't see that the Start Button and the Start Menu on the classic desktop is no longer there.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 20:42

You must be blind then if you can't see that the Start Button and the Start Menu on the classic desktop is no longer there.


Sorry sir, but it is you who is blind. The start button is there, it's just hidden until you move your mouse into the corner... you know just like you did on Windows 7. The start menu is also there, it's just had a radical overhaul. Everything that most people used the old start menu for is replicated on the new start screen. Launching pinned apps, picking apps from an app list, searching for and launching apps, accessing control panel (settings), etc. Anything more technically literate people used to use it for can now be found in other ways. Win key + X for example.

At the end of the day, this is Microsoft's product. Buy it or don't, it's up to you.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 20:51

Wait till you see how these numbers change when people start asking for their money back and reverting back to Windows 7.

Most people don't have a clue what Windows 8 is like. So they upgraded because it was cheap. Boasting about $30-$40 upgrade and how you sold 4 million copies of the whole new operating system is pretty sad to be honest.

For that money, Microsoft Windows users who upgrade should be a couple of times higher number than that considering their marketshare.


Do you honestly believe what you're saying? It's sounding a bit delusional if you ask me..

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 20:56

Sorry sir, but it is you who is blind. The start button is there, it's just hidden until you move your mouse into the corner... you know just like you did on Windows 7. The start menu is also there, it's just had a radical overhaul. Everything that most people used the old start menu for is replicated on the new start screen. Launching pinned apps, picking apps from an app list, searching for and launching apps, accessing control panel (settings), etc. Anything more technically literate people used to use it for can now be found in other ways. Win key + X for example.

At the end of the day, this is Microsoft's product. Buy it or don't, it's up to you.



The button you are referring to is NOT the Start Button people are used to and, sir, there is NO start button on the classic desktop. The button you are referring to as the Start button, when clicked from the classic desktop, takes you to that ridiculous Metro UI.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 21:16

The button you are referring to is NOT the Start Button people are used to and, sir, there is NO start button on the classic desktop. The button you are referring to as the Start button, when clicked from the classic desktop, takes you to that ridiculous Metro UI.

it's still the "START" button, as it takes you to the "START" screen (formally known as the start menu)

sorry, but you can no deny the facts, just because it's not implemented in the exact same way doesn't mean it's not there

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 21:31

Why does every Windows 8 thread have to degenerate into the same boring moaning about the Start Screen?

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 21:41

Nice to see a shift in MS approach. Even pirated copies of Windows7 can be upgraded for 40$ (iv tested myself) and you get a very own brand new Windows 8 Pro key. Its a fair price for common home Windows users, finally a realistic price for an upgrade.

FACT: Most people will buy Windows for the first time with this new realistic philosophy, its fantastic to see this new Microsoft rising again for the battle.

Let me be clear that i didnt buy Windows8 for the extra features because personlly i dont see that it does bring anything better than Windows7 but just in case its a cheap and clean upgrade.


That is four million UPGRADES. And it took less than a week. (Windows 8 has been available retail and online all of six days as of today.)

And that is despite the most radical UI change in practice (as opposed to principle) since Windows 9x and the birth of the Start menu.

That rather large number doesn't include new hardware sales/bundles. It doesn't include WindowsRT or SurfaceRT. It likely doesn't include a lot of the tech-heavy mid-Atlantic states or Northeast, which have been sat on by Sandy since basically the weekend.

Doesn't look anything remotely like "failure" to me.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 21:50

Do you honestly believe what you're saying? It's sounding a bit delusional if you ask me..


He's a firm believer in the delusion that if it comes from the anti-change crowd, it must be so. (That would also explain his insistence that President Obama will be re-elected; voting for Mitt Romney represents a change.)

Yes - Windows 8 IS a change; however, despite how radical the UI change is, how radical is it for desktop users in reality?

Unless you're absolutely married to the Start menu (and you'd be surprised how FEW users actually are - even if not especially technically savvy users) the change is less jarring than you'd think.

That's where things will REALLY out - perception vs. reality.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 03:14

The new start menu is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better then the old "I can't find sh**" Start Menu.
Stop Whining.

You are like one of those people who can't drive automatic because you think it is harder than manual.