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Windows 8 SP1: What We Hope To See

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I agree completely with the article, my biggest problem with windows 8 is that it's a solid evidence for how "modern UI" and computing is going in the direction of dumbing down everything for the sake of making it simple. A good UI, IMO, is the one that achieves the balance between having too much options (like most of linux DEs) and providing too basic options and restricting customization. (like Metro/Modern UI).

Compared to mobile interfaces Windows 8 has pretty good amount of options (on the "Modern UI" side) but on a desktop it's absolutely pathetic; you can't use custom titles backgrounds without hacks for example. Imagine having to use an external application and various hacks to edit a shortcut icon. That's how limiting windows 8 interface is, and if this is the future, then the future of computing is quite bleak.

Wait what?

You can do everything on 8 that you can do in 7, and even more.

Have you even used 8?

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All I want is some more apps and bug fixes.

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Wait what?

You can do everything on 8 that you can do in 7, and even more.

Have you even used 8?

Yes, I have used it. I meant Modern UI of windows 8. Which, obviously, is going to be the UI that Microsoft continues developing in the future much more than the legacy desktop. Windows 8 Modern UI indicates the direction microsoft is taking for UI, the fact that desktop is still there doesn't change anything about it.

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I like Windows 8, Modern Apps, and Surface. But I won't insult the intelligence of experienced users who have long, well organized, efficient Start menus in Windows 7.

For that type of usage, Windows 8 is clumsy and inefficient. It's no secret Metro does not handle long lists well at all and there are no nested folders whatsoever. I myself, don't pin much to the start menu because after 1 screen, it becomes clumsy and cumbersome to use.

I believe the reason MS de-unified the search is to try to hide the major flaw in the Metro UI. Cannot handle long lists, period.

Compromises had to be made. I think it is an acceptable compromise but won't pretend the issue doesn't exist.

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Yes, I have used it. I meant Modern UI of windows 8. Which, obviously, is going to be the UI that Microsoft continues developing in the future much more than the legacy desktop. Windows 8 Modern UI indicates the direction microsoft is taking for UI, the fact that desktop is still there doesn't change anything about it.

That entire statement makes no sense.

You basically are saying, 'Ignore everything that I want you to ignore and then my point makes sense.'

I'm sorry but things don't work that way. Metro is there for the purpose of giving you fast access to the personal side of things. The desktop is there to give you access to legacy and power user scenarios.

If I weren't so tired I would pop out an apt analogy for why this is ridiculous.

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the future of computing is quite bleak.

It isn't. Computing will continue in new ways, more profitable than ever, too. And that's all there is to computing (or anything, for that matter) - profit. Mobile systems have opened eyes and opened wallets. As for people - now it is what it was meant to be all along - simple and so that it just works (or dumbed-down, if you prefer - I do). It is why OS X has kept itself at least a little bit relevant and why desktop Linux has failed so many times - it's not simple and it doesn't just work. It's trying to now, but the train has left the station now that Windows has finally become simple, too.

Bleak for a certain kind, including me and, it looks like, you, indeed. We will be an irrelevant minority. But the computing will live on.

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This post reflect the opinions of many, I'm very sure... problem is that MS is even intending to go away with the so called Service Packs, entering to an era of apple-esque os selling: pay little for our os but with more os releases.

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That entire statement makes no sense.

You basically are saying, 'Ignore everything that I want you to ignore and then my point makes sense.'

I'm sorry but things don't work that way. Metro is there for the purpose of giving you fast access to the personal side of things. The desktop is there to give you access to legacy and power user scenarios.

If I weren't so tired I would pop out an apt analogy for why this is ridiculous.

Metro is not created to complement desktop, desktop is there for backward compatibility, nothing more, nothing less. If it did complement it we wouldn't have that much duplicate and overlapping features (two IEs, two different ways to switch opened applications, desktop applications being in taskbar and metro apps being in the "hot corner" gesture) and seriously, how faster would accessing a website would be for me If I used metro IE than the normal desktop IE? Nothing. I thought it was obvious that windows 8 is the transition between old and new. A way to make users familiar with the Modern UI so it becomes the default UI completely one day with no awkward transition to desktop on doing some tasks, that what always happens with windows development.

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This post reflect the opinions of many, I'm very sure... problem is that MS is even intending to go away with the so called Service Packs, entering to an era of apple-esque os selling: pay little for our os but with more os releases.

I believe MS has indicated constant incremental updates would replace Service Packs, not new OS releases. With persistent Internet connections, this is quite viable and preferable IMO. Why wait for a SP?

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So basically you just want Windows 7, then. Why not just continue to use Windows 7 in that case?

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User Interface

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this is so stupid, that it does not deserve a comment.

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Metro is not created to complement desktop, desktop is there for backward compatibility, nothing more, nothing less. If it did complement it we wouldn't have that much duplicate and overlapping features (two IEs, two different ways to switch opened applications, desktop applications being in taskbar and metro apps being in the "hot corner" gesture) and seriously, how faster would accessing a website would be for me If I used metro IE than the normal desktop IE? Nothing. I thought it was obvious that windows 8 is the transition between old and new. A way to make users familiar with the Modern UI so it becomes the default UI completely one day with no awkward transition to desktop on doing some tasks, that what always happens with windows development.

I didn't say Metro was there to complement desktop. I said that both exist. I said that there's nothing that in 7 that you can't do on 8.

Both exist, and both work and accomplish the purpose that they were created to accomplish. Desktop is there for the power users and legacy (see I said legacy which refers to backwards compatibility) and Metro is there for the personal side of things.

The Metro Start Screen is an app launcher, notification center, and basic command center on steroids. It's there to let you start anything you want to start, see all of the notifications for things that are important to you, and allow you to take care of the basic maintenance tasks for the PC.

The desktop is there to provide users with back-compat for existing apps, power user tools, and a familiar interface for those who are going to take a while to get acclimated to the newer Start Screen experience.

So yes in a way they do complement each other...but I never claimed that the Start Screen was created to compliment the desktop.

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How about mini tiles like WP8?

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How about mini tiles like WP8?

You can already make them smaller, but I suppose even smaller ones would be nice. There is a fair amount of wasted space. I would prefer nested tiles which would be a major upgrade.

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I didn't say Metro was there to complement desktop. I said that both exist. I said that there's nothing that in 7 that you can't do on 8.

Both exist, and both work and accomplish the purpose that they were created to accomplish. Desktop is there for the power users and legacy (see I said legacy which refers to backwards compatibility) and Metro is there for the personal side of things.

The Metro Start Screen is an app launcher, notification center, and basic command center on steroids. It's there to let you start anything you want to start, see all of the notifications for things that are important to you, and allow you to take care of the basic maintenance tasks for the PC.

The desktop is there to provide users with back-compat for existing apps, power user tools, and a familiar interface for those who are going to take a while to get acclimated to the newer Start Screen experience.

So yes in a way they do complement each other...but I never claimed that the Start Screen was created to compliment the desktop.

The question is: Do you think Microsoft will continue developing "desktop" as it was during the releases before windows 8? don't you think it will be considered legacy one day and to be replaced by non other than a Metro-ified UI? Not now, not soon, but in the future?

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Metro is not created to complement desktop, desktop is there for backward compatibility, nothing more, nothing less. If it did complement it we wouldn't have that much duplicate and overlapping features (two IEs, two different ways to switch opened applications, desktop applications being in taskbar and metro apps being in the "hot corner" gesture) and seriously, how faster would accessing a website would be for me If I used metro IE than the normal desktop IE? Nothing. I thought it was obvious that windows 8 is the transition between old and new. A way to make users familiar with the Modern UI so it becomes the default UI completely one day with no awkward transition to desktop on doing some tasks, that what always happens with windows development.

As much as it 'looks like' Microsoft will go in that direction, as much as you think it's 'obvious'. No, it isn't. There's still plenty of people of people (businesses) that rely on backwards compatibility. And on the day that nobody needs backwards compatibility anymore... how relevant will your complaint be that the desktop doesn't exist?

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The question is: Do you think Microsoft will continue developing "desktop" as it was during the releases before windows 8? don't you think it will be considered legacy one day and to be replaced by non other than a Metro-ified UI? Not now, not soon, but in the future?

I think Microsoft will continue developing the OS in whatever direction makes the most sense from a business and usability perspective.

I think they will continue developing the desktop side of things for the foreseeable future, but not from the releases before 8, but from what they've done in 8.

The desktop in 8 isn't the same as the desktop in 7. They are a good number of changes there. Statements are why I question if you've used 8 since it seems you don't know that the desktop itself has been changed from the 7 version in several ways. You don't take the time to really rework an interface that you're planning on killing in the near future. ;)

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The question is: Do you think Microsoft will continue developing "desktop" as it was during the releases before windows 8? don't you think it will be considered legacy one day and to be replaced by non other than a Metro-ified UI? Not now, not soon, but in the future?

In the future, we probably won't have the desktop anymore because we won't need it.

We need the desktop now because there are still programs we want to run on it. That's why we're complaining. But complaining about the future using our current computing standards as a guideline is a broken argument. Nobody knows the future.

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In the future, we probably won't have the desktop anymore because we won't need it.

We need the desktop now because there are still programs we want to run on it. That's why we're complaining. But complaining about the future using our current computing standards as a guideline is a broken argument. Nobody knows the future.

This is definitely true, but what I'm complaining about is the whole unified UI direction Microsoft is taking with windows, If I want to have a modern (as in recent, bleeding-edge) and functional UI for your desktop computer that makes use of the large screen and designed for the precise method of input of using a mouse there won't be any if Microsoft continued going this direction.

Legacy applications will be adapted to the same direction MS is taking when they are moved into the new platform. And desktop users will have to adjust to a UI that's not designed for their machines specific strengths. It's a like a console port of a game, would it work on your pc? yes. You wouldn't "need" mouse-friendly menus or controls, but you are going to have to adapt to something that is not efficient at all.

I think Microsoft will continue developing the OS in whatever direction makes the most sense from a business and usability perspective.

I think they will continue developing the desktop side of things for the foreseeable future, but not from the releases before 8, but from what they've done in 8.

The desktop in 8 isn't the same as the desktop in 7. They are a good number of changes there. Statements are why I question if you've used 8 since it seems you don't know that the desktop itself has been changed from the 7 version in several ways. You don't take the time to really rework an interface that you're planning on killing in the near future. ;)

I know there are plenty of new features added to desktop in 8, but I believe they are simply there because they have to provide something for the users so they wouldn't think that 8 is modern UI just thrown together with windows 7. Gradually, by time, I expect this attention to lower. I don't have a crystal ball. But it just makes sense to me (apparently only me :p)

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Nobody knows the future.

Some do. Some make that future at this very moment. Different for each of us, but they do.

As for Microsoft planning to develop things in one way or the other - I say with complete confidence that Windows 8 (except the number) was not on any of their roadmaps as little as 3 years ago. It proved to be the right decision now, given the circumstances, but we'd never know that it was if Microsoft hadn't made it - instead we'd be fighting another Superbar vs Quick Launch war, or whatever new thing they'd think up.

Tech people are susceptible to suggestion from the overlords as much as everyone else. Sometimes even more, because we're closer to them.

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Microsoft is doing away with Service Packs, and even if there is one it will just be an update rollup. Good thing too because Windows 8 is fine as it is.

There is always room to improve every product.

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You can already make them smaller, but I suppose even smaller ones would be nice. There is a fair amount of wasted space. I would prefer nested tiles which would be a major upgrade.

Yeah I'm talking about mini tiles like this: (The teal ones in the 1st pic.)

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Yes, I have used it. I meant Modern UI of windows 8. Which, obviously, is going to be the UI that Microsoft continues developing in the future much more than the legacy desktop. Windows 8 Modern UI indicates the direction microsoft is taking for UI, the fact that desktop is still there doesn't change anything about it.

Point is, the UI doesn't change the compatability of apps

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XBOX Movies with greater support for tagged files, The recent update lets it pull the release year form the files metadata doing the same for genre while allowing the files to be grouped by metadata properties instead of just a to z would be good and a right click > synopsis metadata viewer would be even better.

Oh and timed text subtitle support

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