I agree with the sentiment but not the example. That thread was intended as troll bait >.> There is something of a pro-Microsoft moderation policy here, but it's greatly increased by the amount of hardcore trolling against Microsoft here.. /shrug
(To preface the following, a forum is 99% about it's community. If the community is a pain in the arse, the forum is not going to be a fun place to be >.> So yeah, I'm railing against the community as much as the moderation direction.)
Honestly, I am just sick of all the people calling out Windows 8 (and I don't think I am alone..). Everyone who uses it knows that they not everyone loves it, but I'm ****ing sick of people coming and telling us AGAIN how much you hate it.
It's gotten to the point of narcissism. There's a member on here who has a user tag like: "Windows 8 (With start 8 OTHERWISE UNUSABLE)". There's a half dozen members who have said things like "We need to keep pointing out how **** it is otherwise Microsoft will think it's ok". It's like they think this forum is Microsoft's user feedback forum.. There are other members running from thread to thread saying the same thing repeatedly and not engaging in a discussion; but instead continuing to fire off cliches with little interest in discussing it and a lot of interest in just getting their **** out there.
I originally came to Neowin after cracking the ****s with another tech forum because their journalists had lost the plot. I stayed because I found intelligent people with different opinions who could justify them with something other than "**** YOU MICROSOFT BOY". Unfortunately this isn't the case anymore. The people interested in serious debate have been driven away by the stupidity on the forums (or occasionally dragged into it) and the moderators have all responded differently with differing and inconsistent reactions.
Whilst there are a collection of decent and dedicated mods, there have been numerous occurrences where in their actions have been markedly inconsistent or disingenuous. This is compounded by a self review system that is markedly against the posters appealing moderation actions (by way of mods all (ha) being friends or the global mods being busy/uncaring about the request/query).
These are issues I raised a number of times and got nowhere with. After a particularly pointed statement by my oh so subtle self, someone asked if I hated the place why I didn't just leave. I subbed about 5 minutes later :\ I subbed to support the site and to make my position on my support known.
I want a "home" where I can talk to like minded people about technical and interesting things. I want to learn from other peoples opinions and experiences and I want somewhere I can ask questions and get serious feedback. Neowin isn't really that place anymore, but at the moment I blame Windows 8 (and the members who can't pull their heads out of their asses) and hope that in a couple of months things will sort themselves out.
Would I sub again? Perhaps, but only to support Neobond and the site. All I really gain from my subscription is the ability to edit my posts for an extended time after posting (I tend to clean up my posts after posting).
I just hope Neowin (the community that is) comes around and gets back to what it was before the retards gained a divisive target to call out with their loud and repetitive voices :\
In b4 someone calls me pro8.
This. Oh god, this.
My experience has been very similar to yours. I joined Neowin mainly after leaving abandoning another community that had gone to hell. I stuck around in article comments for about 3 years. It wasn't until about 2006/2007 that I actually started posting in the forums.
I'm currently not in a position to subscribe (citing lack of money), but I have been considering it for a long time, and I'll be happy to when funds arise. I must admit though that the hostility of the community, particularly over the last year or so, has given me cause to stop and think.
Neowin has been a great community for many years, and it mostly still is. I've always felt I could express my opinion without people resorting to ad hominem attacks. If I am (or someone else is) wrong about a particular topic, there's no animosity, simply disagreement and explanation. But I feel that this has started slipping away in a wave of "Learn 2 Metro noob" and "Start menu 4eva".
I don't think anyone in particular is to blame, but there's a sense of militant fanboyism growing around Neowin (particularly around Windows 8 topics). There's an attitude of "if you're not with us, you're against us" with regard to Windows 8, and it is de-railing topics within minutes, full of nonsense like "If you don't like Metro, you're not using it right" or "go back to Windows 7" (which I find hilariously hypocritical given the chorus of mockery we pointed towards Apple when Jobs made his famous "you're not holding it right" gaffe). I fear that it's making the Windows forum look particularly hostile to people who don't fap over Windows 8 constantly. At the same time, there's a constant in-flow of people creating topics linking to anti-Win8 articles, opinion pieces, anything to support their view. It's basically trolling by citation.
The thing that really worries me though is that this attitude is starting to spill onto the front page too. Looking only today, I see intellectual gold like this in the comments:
learn boy... learn. watch youtube videos they will help cure your ignorance
Blah Blah Blah Blah
Next article - 'Why smart people annoy me!'
(Maybe then you can get more than 10% of the readers to agree with you, especially if you target people with an IQ over 115, and identify why you don't like THEM.)
Ignorance is corrosive, and sadly people often don't know what they don't know, nor how silly they sound. Thank you for the laughter at your inept understanding of a simple OS UI. LOL
This kind of unsubstantiated trolling should be getting killed off ASAP. Having it in the forums, while annoying, is not so bad, but when this stuff is getting on the front page, it's making the site look bad IMO.
On the other hand, when you have content like this in front page articles
, what can we expect...
It's been pointed out in the comments, and rightly so that neither Apple or Google are under any pressure to add a similar screen into their OS. OS X and iOS have Safari as standard and Android, on phones, tablets and Chromebooks have Chrome. While yes, Microsoft could be creating a monopoly in the browser market, it's hardly their fault that 90% of the OS' installed are Windows. It's also common knowledge that users are more than able to download and install another browser, if they so wish.
Microsoft are almost victims of their own success; Android resides on more than 50% of smartphones, but we can't see them getting a browser ballot screen. The same goes for the iPhone, with more than 30% of the market. So if Microsoft has to introduce this into their Windows OS for desktops and laptops, why not the Windows Phone OS? At the moment, Windows Phone only controls around 5% of the mobile OS market, so is there a certain figure that you need to hit before you're being hauled over hot coals and accused of anti-trust violations? Google and Apple, let this be a warning to you both.
That kind of uninformed garbage should have been an author's comment or an editorial, not an "update to the original article".I'd just like to point out that while this all sounds negative, I think it's very localised, and historically the mods here have a very good history of dealing with this sort of stuff. Barney et al have done an exemplary job of cleaning up the Linux forums, and we very rarely have any kind of trouble from the trolls over there as we have in the past, and the Gamers Hangout is a much nicer place to be these days.