Jump to content



Photo

Help Spies Crack ‘Impossible’ WWII Pigeon Code

cryptology government communications headquarters great britain pigeon museum

  • Please log in to reply
59 replies to this topic

#16 OP Hum

Hum

    totally wAcKed

  • 60,873 posts
  • Joined: 05-October 03
  • Location: Odder Space
  • OS: Windows XP, 7

Posted 27 November 2012 - 16:16

The recipient of the coded message would then only be able to decode the message if they possessed an identical key.


So how does the receiver get this identical key ?

By a personal messenger or another coded note ?


#17 +SOOPRcow

SOOPRcow

    Neowinian

  • 1,513 posts
  • Joined: 18-April 02

Posted 27 November 2012 - 16:27

be sure to drink your ovaltine



#18 f0rk_b0mb

f0rk_b0mb

    Neowinian Senior

  • 2,468 posts
  • Joined: 02-June 12
  • Location: 'Murica
  • OS: Windows, Linux, OS X
  • Phone: Motorola Moto G

Posted 27 November 2012 - 16:44

If the First two words are "Dear Santa" that means:

AoAKN HVPKD
DEAR- SANTA

or (depending how you look at it)...

AoAKN RQXSR
DEAR- SANTA

Maybe the "N" is a "Space"? Does it give anyone something interesting?

#19 neo158

neo158

    Neowinian Senior

  • 3,521 posts
  • Joined: 18-July 02

Posted 27 November 2012 - 16:56

I think that it could be a Caeser Substitution Cipher but without a Cipher Disk I wouldn't be able to try decoding it. The only two other things it could be using are Bentley's Complete Phrase Code or Polyalphabetic Substitution.

The other possibility is that it's a double encryption, using one or two methods, which was quite common during World War Two to protect sensitive information.

#20 Detection

Detection

    Detecting stuff...

  • 8,369 posts
  • Joined: 30-October 10
  • Location: UK
  • OS: 7 SP1 x64

Posted 27 November 2012 - 16:57

Maybe its a recipe for pigeon pie

#21 n_K

n_K

    Neowinian Senior

  • 5,137 posts
  • Joined: 19-March 06
  • Location: here.
  • OS: FreeDOS
  • Phone: Nokia 3315

Posted 27 November 2012 - 17:02

If anyone cracks this I think it'll probably lead to one of 2 possible outcomes;
1) You win yourself a job for GCHQ
2) You win yourself a permanent place on the list of people to be watched
;)

#22 Detection

Detection

    Detecting stuff...

  • 8,369 posts
  • Joined: 30-October 10
  • Location: UK
  • OS: 7 SP1 x64

Posted 27 November 2012 - 17:04

If anyone cracks this I think it'll probably lead to one of 2 possible outcomes;
1) You win yourself a job for GCHQ
2) You win yourself a permanent place on the list of people to be watched
3) Be found in a shallow grave with a bullet hole to the back of the head
;)



Fixed that for ya ;)

#23 Solid Knight

Solid Knight

    Neowinian Senior

  • 5,139 posts
  • Joined: 22-February 08
  • Location: New Orleans, LA

Posted 27 November 2012 - 17:11

It's not a code. That's that actual message.

#24 f0rk_b0mb

f0rk_b0mb

    Neowinian Senior

  • 2,468 posts
  • Joined: 02-June 12
  • Location: 'Murica
  • OS: Windows, Linux, OS X
  • Phone: Motorola Moto G

Posted 27 November 2012 - 17:24

I'm a time lord


Then would you be so kind to go back in time and get us the key, all mighty lord of time? :rofl:

Like Rfirth said, I think the bottom letters are the key. I tried doing 1=A and then 5 more than o = T, which spells "AT" but I think that's just a quiescence....I'm close!

#25 neo158

neo158

    Neowinian Senior

  • 3,521 posts
  • Joined: 18-July 02

Posted 27 November 2012 - 17:33

Then would you be so kind to go back in time and get us the key, all mighty lord of time? :rofl:

Like Rfirth said, I think the bottom letters are the key. I tried doing 1=A and then 5 more than o = T, which spells "AT" but I think that's just a quiescence....I'm close!


Then why isn't the lower case "o" used elsewhere in the text. I think that the "Ao" is the cipher key i.e. A=o. Also if "1=A" and "o=T" then the first two characters would be 1T which doesn't really make sense.

#26 f0rk_b0mb

f0rk_b0mb

    Neowinian Senior

  • 2,468 posts
  • Joined: 02-June 12
  • Location: 'Murica
  • OS: Windows, Linux, OS X
  • Phone: Motorola Moto G

Posted 27 November 2012 - 17:38

Then why isn't the lower case "o" used elsewhere in the text. I think that the "Ao" is the cipher key i.e. A=o.


Good call. So if A=O how does one find the other letters?

#27 +warwagon

warwagon

    Only you can prevent forest fires.

  • 24,757 posts
  • Joined: 30-November 01
  • Location: Iowa

Posted 27 November 2012 - 17:40

Well the number 27 at the end represents the number of individual groups of letters.

#28 neo158

neo158

    Neowinian Senior

  • 3,521 posts
  • Joined: 18-July 02

Posted 27 November 2012 - 17:41

Good call. So if A=O how does one find the other letters?


You would need an Alberti Cipher Disk, set the inner ring so that "o" is aligned under "A" on the outer ring and then message could be decoded. Like I said though, it could be a double encryption.

#29 Detection

Detection

    Detecting stuff...

  • 8,369 posts
  • Joined: 30-October 10
  • Location: UK
  • OS: 7 SP1 x64

Posted 27 November 2012 - 17:43

Surely in this day and age, there is some software you can enter the code into and let it try millions of combinations of ways to find legible text ?

#30 c.grz

c.grz

    Neowinian

  • 1,202 posts
  • Joined: 22-September 04
  • Location: Chicago, Illinois
  • OS: Windows 8 Professional
  • Phone: Nokia Lumia 925

Posted 27 November 2012 - 17:56

I showed it to my three year old...

After a few seconds of looking it over; she looks up at me, says "You seriously can't figure this out? Sorry dad but I'm busy" and goes back to playing with her lalaloopsy doll.



Click here to login or here to register to remove this ad, it's free!