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#16 OP nekkidtruth

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:30

The Wii U is better than modern consoles as far as specs are concerned. I'm not going into details (because details are sparse), but the only gotcha as far as hardware is may be the processor in comparison to the rest. Most of the crap spewed by those who haven't even touched a Wii U will be "Nintendo sucks" and "Wii U sucks" because "soandso gaming site/dev said it!"

I'm not interested in correcting people, so that's all there is to it.


I can definitely appreciate not wanting to correct people, as it can become tedious very quickly. However, I haven't really seen many "Nintendo sucks" posts here thus far. I appreciate your advice but I have to say, you're not really making any sense. You said there's a lot of misinformation in this thread (which isn't even that big), but aren't willing to say what? *confused*


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Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:31

Imho Wii U, is much more than game console mostly due to included tablet. If you are looking for diversity of uses in Your gmaing console then only Wii U so far will do the job. Graphics chip in Wii U, for the console is quite powerful, and will contend with the next gen consoles from Microsoft and Sony, so the developers will not have an aversion like they had it for Wii. The question is are You patient enough to wait for the games library to grow for Wii U.


This is an Xbox Durango ALPHA kit and it has a lot higher specs...
http://www.psu.com/f...792#post5948792

and

http://gamrconnect.v...d.php?id=148153

12 Gigs of ram on the kit means at least 8 Gigabytes on the console (probably 6 Gigabytes for games and 2 for other things). Wii U has only 1 available for games. Ram kind of matters.
Also the CPU is supposed to be better (8-16 cores depending on sources). The Video card chip will also be a lot better. Because it's a x64 processor that means that it is x86 compatible.

It's not really a contest. The Wii U has the weakest hardware and in most cases it's not as good as the Xbox 360, the GPU is slightly better (Direct X 10.1 compared to Direct X 9 on Xbox, however that goes away pretty quickly because Nintendo can only use OpenGL which is at 3.3, so the OpenGL is even weak.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:31

http://www.memecreat...ted-an-xbox-360


LMAO! Awesome.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:31

1 Gigabyte is used for games, the other is used for the OS. So, it's only 512 megs more and the CPU is not as good as the Xbox 360.

Serious...ly...hmm.

I didn't know that.

Skipped the Wii and I guess I'll skip the Wii U as well.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:42

Xbox games are all usually advalible on PC and a good gaming rig will totally run circles around xbox graphics.
Playstation has alot of good RPGs...
the only reason to buy a Nintendo is if u have lil kids who are not ready for gorry violence or if u like to play ZELDA!!! lol

The thread is about the Xbox 360 and the Playstation 3 I dont know where you are getting this "all games are usually on the xbox" and (this one made me laugh) "playstation has alot of good RPGs"

My advice? If there is no homebrew community out, the console isnt worth it. Its one of the reasons why the 360 has the edge over the PS3.

Id get the 360. Right anything that can be done with the Wii (the normal Wii; the Wii U just has tablet, which like you said: cricket) can basically be done with the Kinect (sorry, dildo controller)

Plus you can find WAY better prices and bundles :) Im constantly on the same boat as you: Get a 360+Kinect or not....The problem is that I dont game much so.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:48

Note, you have to have min of 6' in front of the xbox kinnect with no major furniture in the way.

With they way my living room is (rectangle w/ tv in the center of the long part) and the coach a few feet from the wall... xbox Kinnect doesn't do me any good. The end's of the rectangle have the windows or entrance way to dinning room.

@pes2013 - playstation has a lot of good rpg's (same reaction). PS2 was king of rpg's... PS3 not so much.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:54

If you can't think of reasons to keep it on your own then just take it back and swap it out.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 08:08

Note, you have to have min of 6' in front of the xbox kinnect with no major furniture in the way.

With they way my living room is (rectangle w/ tv in the center of the long part) and the coach a few feet from the wall... xbox Kinnect doesn't do me any good. The end's of the rectangle have the windows or entrance way to dinning room.

Actually you can shrink this with the Nyko Zoom...which won a lot of awards iirc.

never tried it myself of course

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 08:42

Serious...ly...hmm.

I didn't know that.

Skipped the Wii and I guess I'll skip the Wii U as well.


Well, it's up to you. Nintendo is launching a year early and their specs are not so great because they have to make an accommodation for the tablet. So, yes just on gaming memory alone they will be crushed.
1 Gigabyte to 6 (lets just even make it fair, 4 gigabytes for gaming) and that still is a big enough difference to have a huge graphical impact alone. Add in a superior CPU, GPU and a more modern graphics API and the gains only get higher and then the fact that Microsoft and Sony are going AMD x86 (x64 really), so development will be easier in a way. Development will cost more though because of higher quality art assets.

As the specs show the Xbox development kits currently have 12 Gigabytes, but that actually will not make it through to consoles, 8 will make it through and out of that 8 only 6 will probably be used for actual gaming and as I said above we can even go down to 4 gigabytes for gaming and it would still make a difference against the Wii U.

This is what we know at the moment... If you want to keep track of progress you can go to www.beyond3d.com and register in their forums and they have industry insiders there and they also get information that is some what technical in nature.

Also, FYI there is a .pdf floating around that is legit and was leaked from Microsoft sometime ago (like September 2010) and listed all the details about the next xbox. However, I do have the .PDF, but I don't know if it's legal to share it or not (so, I won't share it). Microsoft had them take it down (but I got a copy of it before they did), now this pdf is from September 2010 (I got it around 6 months ago) and lots of things have changed since then I am sure. However, they talk about Kinect 2.0 and a lot of other stuff that I can't discuss. If they do half of the stuff they want to do on that .pdf, the future of consoles is going to be interesting.

Remember not to confuse the Microsoft Xbox version of Roku/Apple TV device as the next generation Xbox. That is also being worked on in the Xbox division. It's just a cheaper TV device. It's from the Xbox group, but it is not the next generation Xbox, it uses an ARM chip and most likely be a TV version of Windows RT.

As for Sony, they are supposed to have their Beta release of their Development kit (for PS4, in Japan it will not be called the PS4 because 4 means shi which is death in Japanese) out by January of 2013, the final release of the dev kit will be released summer 2013. However, there has been some discussions on not including a discrete GPU, but using the GPU inside of the CPU chip., It would make it cheaper if they did that, but it's supposed to be heavily modified, so that is not a bad thing if they put in a better GPU proper. There have been other reports via magazine, but I won't include them because they look like rumors all over the Internet and nothing close to real.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 08:52

I don't think you should consider specs tbh because you bought a console not for specs but for games. I also understand that both of them are interrelated but when PS3 or Xbox 360 were releasing, how many of you even bothered with specs then? Point is that a console might have lower specs but it doesn't matter a lot as long as the developer has utilized each of the specs of the console properly to deliver a good game.


That said, I think you should get rid of Wii U since you clearly don't like it. Its best to either pick PS3 or Xbox 360 depending on what games you like and what exclusives do each platform offer which interests you. Stick with a console only if you are waiting for a particular game and not because possibly 'some future games' might come out which might interest you.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 08:52

Haha! I'm sure it is. I'm a huge Mario fan. However, I don't think that's enough to make me keep the Wii U.


;) Also, you can play old Wii games (like "New Super Mario Bros. Wii") on the Wii U - as well as download and play pre-Wii games on the virtual console.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:42

I don't think you should consider specs tbh because you bought a console not for specs but for games. I also understand that both of them are interrelated but when PS3 or Xbox 360 were releasing, how many of you even bothered with specs then? Point is that a console might have lower specs but it doesn't matter a lot as long as the developer has utilized each of the specs of the console properly to deliver a good game.


That said, I think you should get rid of Wii U since you clearly don't like it. Its best to either pick PS3 or Xbox 360 depending on what games you like and what exclusives do each platform offer which interests you. Stick with a console only if you are waiting for a particular game and not because possibly 'some future games' might come out which might interest you.


Definitely solid advice. However, being a PC enthusiast (read: absolute nerd), the specs DO matter to me. I am now possibly considering a PS3 though, which is starting to make this really difficult LOL

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:47

Definitely solid advice. However, being a PC enthusiast (read: absolute nerd), the specs DO matter to me. I am now possibly considering a PS3 though, which is starting to make this really difficult LOL


One last piece of advice to consider since you are a PC nerd. 2013 isn't 100 percent confirmed, but the next Xbox according to that .pdf file did say that their target was 2013 (Probably November), so instead of buying something now maybe you might want to save that money for next generation. I know it's a year from now, but in the long run you can save towards the next generation.

We might be able to get some information on E3 2013 or before. I would sell my Xbox 360 right now if my wife wasn't on it so often.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:52

One last piece of advice to consider since you are a PC nerd. 2013 isn't 100 percent confirmed, but the next Xbox according to that .pdf file did say that their target was 2013 (Probably November), so instead of buying something now maybe you might want to save that money for next generation. I know it's a year from now, but in the long run you can save towards the next generation.

We might be able to get some information on E3 2013 or before. I would sell my Xbox 360 right now if my wife wasn't on it so often.


If this opportunity hadn't arisen, this is exactly what I would have done. However, the Wii U has been bought which has opened the gateway :shifty: I can't wait anymore Lol

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:54

This thread is full of incorrect info.

The 360 has 480mb of memory for games (32mb of the 512mb is for the O.S). Wii U has 2gb of memory, 1gb is used by O.S, 1gb by games. The Wii U has a much newer gpu from 2008, the 360 came out in 2005. It supports shader model 4.0 so it supports lots of nice new effects that the 360/ps3 cannot do. The performance will be significantly better when game engine developers make full use of the new gpu. The cpu clock speed is a little lower than the 360 but apparently the gpu has opencl 1.1 support which means the gpu can do some of the cpu tasks extremely quickly. In other words the graphics will be far better on the wii u over the coming years than the 360 and ps3. Currently the graphics for most games are equal or slightly better. The 360 and ps3 had poor graphics when their games first came out not using all the cpu cores etc so things will get even better with the wii u. Also the gamepad looks great, games like zombie u allow the map to shown on the screen and weapons to choose etc. There will be lots of highly innovate uses of it. If i was buying a new console i'd definitely choose the wii u.

The Wii U also has 32mb Edram, the 360 only has 10mb. 360's 512mb is gddr3 700mhz, the wii u has 2gb ddr3 1600mhz.