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#16 TheLegendOfMart

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 13:32

No, the current rumour is that its going to have a processor based on the AMD A10 APU, which is a quad core chip with AMD 7xxx series GPU.

ARM doesnt have anywhere near enough power to power a next generation console.


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Posted 26 November 2012 - 14:16

as if people will stream 15gb games! Xbox and Playstation will need to have full backwards compatability otherwise many will refuse to upgrade, they spent a fortune on their ps3/360 library.


Never understood this nonsense. Are people aware its possible to have multiple consoles connected to a display? Are 360 and PS3s going to simultaneously stop working the moment their successors are released? I'd rather the cost of a console is kept lower at the expense of backwards compatibility.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 14:23

Never understood this nonsense. Are people aware its possible to have multiple consoles connected to a display? Are 360 and PS3s going to simultaneously stop working the moment their successors are released? I'd rather the cost of a console is kept lower at the expense of backwards compatibility.


With the PS3, it was more anger at the removal of PS2 BC (to push ps3 sales, not actually reduce manufacturing costs) when Sony created a superior PS2 gaming experience on the ps3 then actually playing on the ps2 system.
If it never had BC in the first place, people would not be as upset.

Lack of BC can delays people's purchases of the console until after the games they want is out. Also as console get older, it hard to find some parts.
I'm still looking for an affordable Dreamcast component cable.

If PS4 / Next Xbox doesn't have BC, it won't be until after there several games that highly interest me before considering purchasing.
I'm jumping on the Wii U early since I can play all my Wii games on it.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 14:23

I think this will be the first console I do not buy for a good ~6 months after release - Wanting to break away from the constant early adopters beta testing role, and lack of games. I have a fairly big PS3 backlog, and next year will only add more (Last of Us, Beyond, and whatever else is to come).

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 20:08

With the PS3, it was more anger at the removal of PS2 BC (to push ps3 sales, not actually reduce manufacturing costs)


Wait, what? Are you saying the removal of hardware emulation on the PS3 didn't reduce the manufacturing cost of the PS3? :s

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 20:18

Also, @OP as long as the united states has the 24th worst internet (speed, price, and accessibility) in the world (not joking) streaming to completely replace physical media is a ways off.

yeah internet here in the states is not that great. I'm really hoping for good things from the Google Fiber optics project :)

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 02:10

I can see the next Xbox having some backwards compatibility giving it's an ATI based custom graphics card used in the 360 already and supposedly the 720/next xbox will be a ATI chipset also, not to mention it been a IBM PowerPC based cpu, not a extremely expensive custom gecko cell cpu like the PS3.

Sony will be out to make a much cheaper system this time, so no custom chips n biting the bullet n going ati also which means it will be a completely new Architecture and backwards compatabilities will be unlikely.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:19

I don't think it will work for the same reason that OnLive never really took off. You need a good connection, and even then you're still not seeing the game in the same way that a player who bought the disc would see the game.

Also, I haven't heard anything so far about there possibly being any issue about backwards compatibility, what brought up this idea?


Current rumors for the PS4 say that there will be no backwards compatibility for the PS3. However older games from the PSX/PS2 would be available on the PS4.

My thoughts say that put in a PS3 disk in the PS4 and it could read the disc code that you really own the PS3 game and it would automatically stream the menu and game to you (dynamically based on available bandwidth on your end).
This way they could save money by not putting the cell processor inside of the PS4, but still allow people to play the games they own.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 22:28

My thoughts say that put in a PS3 disk in the PS4 and it could read the disc code that you really own the PS3 game and it would automatically stream the menu and game to you (dynamically based on available bandwidth on your end).
This way they could save money by not putting the cell processor inside of the PS4, but still allow people to play the games they own.

But as others have said, why not just put the disk in your PS3 instead? Where does it say that you have to get rid of your PS3 in order to buy a PS4? Not saying that your idea doesn't have merit - it does - just don't see why you would want backwards compatibilty tbh, when you've already got real actual hardware that can play your games without any of the issues concerning additional cost of hardware, bandwidth or quality of experience.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 22:42

With the PS3, it was more anger at the removal of PS2 BC (to push ps3 sales, not actually reduce manufacturing costs) when Sony created a superior PS2 gaming experience on the ps3 then actually playing on the ps2 system.
If it never had BC in the first place, people would not be as upset.

Lack of BC can delays people's purchases of the console until after the games they want is out. Also as console get older, it hard to find some parts.
I'm still looking for an affordable Dreamcast component cable.

If PS4 / Next Xbox doesn't have BC, it won't be until after there several games that highly interest me before considering purchasing.
I'm jumping on the Wii U early since I can play all my Wii games on it.


This. Without BC on the next gen systems, I wont be diving into them any time soon after their release.
Games this generation are still stelar, and the graphics are great. And just because the new consoles will have better graphics, it wont be enough to push me to them.
I hope that with next gen consoles, we get developers who are able to put more into the worlds, animations, and behavior of items/npc's in the games.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 22:59

I hope that with next gen consoles, we get developers who are able to put more into the worlds, animations, and behavior of items/npc's in the games.

I fully expect to see next-gen versions of all the current popular titles, which imo is reason enough not to jump too early. To be frank, I'm sick to death of sequals. I realise it's an easy cash-cow for developers, so why wouldn't they, and it's almost a given that we'll see the usual suspects line-up on PS4.

I'll give PS4 time to mature before I make a decision. The new hardware could (or at least should) promise a more in-depth experience, and I too am looking forward to that, but I want to see the boundries of "gaming" pushed forward, not just the same old, same old but with better graphics.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:49

But as others have said, why not just put the disk in your PS3 instead? Where does it say that you have to get rid of your PS3 in order to buy a PS4? Not saying that your idea doesn't have merit - it does - just don't see why you would want backwards compatibilty tbh, when you've already got real actual hardware that can play your games without any of the issues concerning additional cost of hardware, bandwidth or quality of experience.


Well, because you can sell your current console and use that money to buy the next generation. I would do it with my xbox but my wife won't let me. Second, it takes up a lot of space that could be used for other things.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:06

Well, because you can sell your current console and use that money to buy the next generation. I would do it with my xbox but my wife won't let me. Second, it takes up a lot of space that could be used for other things.


Or because you never owned the other hardware and want to take advantage of the games now being cheaper.

I never owned a Wii, so a Wii U's BC is a selling point for me. I never owned a DS, so the 3ds' BC was a selling point for me.

Edited by compl3x, 28 November 2012 - 03:07.


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Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:09

I think this will be the first console I do not buy for a good ~6 months after release - Wanting to break away from the constant early adopters beta testing role, and lack of games. I have a fairly big PS3 backlog, and next year will only add more (Last of Us, Beyond, and whatever else is to come).


Bioshock
God of War
Dead Space 3
Sly Cooper 4
GTA 5

etc. etc.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 13:55

Bioshock
God of War
Dead Space 3
Sly Cooper 4
GTA 5

etc. etc.


DEM!