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#1 spudtrooper

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:05

Chief Marketing and Financial Officer for Windows opened up the Credit Suisse Annual Tech conference with the news that Windows 8 has sold 40 million licenses so far.

Can we stop the foolish debate of it being a flop now? thanks! would appreciate getting back to talking about fun stuff!


#2 vetneufuse

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:09

Chief Marketing and Financial Officer for Windows opened up the Credit Suisse Annual Tech conference with the news that Windows 8 has sold 40 million licenses so far.

Can we stop the foolish debate of it being a flop now? thanks! would appreciate getting back to talking about fun stuff!


you know how things go here.... have to back all claims up with a source, where is it? not doubting you, I just want to read the source

edit: beat ya to it http://www.zdnet.com...ate-7000007990/

btw Microsoft said that it sold 20 million copies of Vista in its first month when that happened...

MS sold "over 40 million windows 7 licenses" in the first month

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:15

you know how things go here.... have to back all claims up with a source, where is it? not doubting you, I just want to read the source


It's all over the place now.. @windows just tweeted it, so have Paul, Mary J Foley and a few others..

Now theVerge has picked it up

http://www.theverge....illion-licences

The official blog has also picked it up:

http://blogs.windows...enses-sold.aspx

Windows 8 Upgrades are outpacing upgrades from Windows 7 too

#4 Flae_qui

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:16

OEM Licences? or Retail

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:18

I found this and not that it's anything new to me but makes pretty interesting reading: Found this at InfoWorld.





I've seen a lot of "analyses" in the technical press about lousy early sales of Windows 8, however none to date are willing to put a number on Windows 8 sales or make a prediction for this quarter. The simple fact is that nobody knows anything about Windows 8 sales. Wait till January, the sages advise, and then we'll know more.

Many of these folks seem to forget that we've seen these machinations before, and we're likely to know less about Windows 8 sales in January than we do now. How is that possible? Microsoft stacks the deck. Legally, and in full conformance with every accounting principle, generally accepted or not, Microsoft has polished its methods for obfuscating initial sales of new Windows versions. We saw the techniques used after the releases of Vista and Windows 7 -- and we'll see them again for Windows 8.

Here's how it works. Again, this is all perfectly legal.

There are two numbers of interest. (1) In January, Microsoft will report its quarterly revenue and expenses for the Windows (and formerly Windows Live) Division. (2) Microsoft may or may not, at its discretion, report the number of Windows 8 and/or Windows RT licenses sold. It's highly unlikely Microsoft will report the number of copies of Windows 8/Windows RT activated -- the number that would most accurately tell us how well Win8 is doing in the marketplace.

First, the quarterly revenue. Microsoft has already "deferred" $540 million in Windows revenue from the second (calendar) quarter of this year, and $1.36 billion from the third quarter. The revenue deferral is attributed to Microsoft's offer to give $14.99 Win8 Pro upgrades to everyone who bought a Windows 7 PC after June 2. In effect, Microsoft is saying that a substantial (but unknown) percentage of the people who bought Windows 7 after June 2 will exercise the option to upgrade to Windows 8; thus, Microsoft won't book the revenue from the Windows 7 sale until they upgrade. Microsoft has promised it will book the revenue when consumers actually upgrade, or on Feb. 28, 2013, whichever comes first.

In other words, the Windows division has $2 billion in revenue coming onto the books no matter how well or poorly Windows 8 sells, and the revenue is stretched over the fourth quarter of 2012 and the first quarter of 2013. For the sake of comparison, in the quarter ending September 2012, the Windows Division booked $3.2 billion in revenue.

See what I mean by fudges?

Second, the number of Windows 8 licenses "sold" has always been a squishy number. One of the best examples of how the number can squish came last month, when Steve Ballmer was quoted as saying that "more than 4 million upgrade copies" of Windows 8 had been sold in the first weekend of general availability, along with "tens of millions" of copies of Windows 8 going out to OEMs.

The first quote begs for definitions of the terms "sold" and "upgrade." I think it's fair to assume that 4 million people didn't pull out their credit cards and pay for a $40 online upgrade over the weekend, but I may be overly cynical. I will note in passing that anyone who bought a Windows 7 PC over the weekend, in some respects "paid" for an upgrade (see the "revenue deferral" argument), and companies that renewed their volume licenses over the weekend had Windows 8 slipped in for the ride.

As for shipping tens of millions of copies of anything to OEMs -- I can just see the truckloads of bits going to the loading docks at Lenovo, HP, and Dell -- we've seen those kinds of magic numbers before, when Ballmer was trying to convince the world that Microsoft had sold millions of copies of Windows Phone 7. In fact, Microsoft had "sold" the copies of Windows to manufacturers and phone companies, which, in turn, had a difficult time "selling" the products to breathing, paying customers.

This brings me to activation numbers. Microsoft knows darn well how many copies of Windows 8/Windows RT it's sold. Why won't the company tell us the number of copies that have been activated? If there's a rousing story to be told about Windows 8/Windows RT uptake, it's right there in the activation numbers. Anything else is just blowing smoke.

Will we know more about Windows 8 sales in January? I doubt it. Given Microsoft's well-orchestrated fudginess, I think we'll actually know less.



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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:18

from what it sounds, windows 8 isn't selling as fast as windows 7, and windows 7 still has the sales records for 1st month sales

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:21

Can we lol at Thurrott now? Pretty please?

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:23

from what it sounds, windows 8 isn't selling as fast as windows 7, and windows 7 still has the sales records for 1st month sales


There are still some pretty bad supply chain problems. Next gen atom CPU's are still very limited supply and its darn near impossible to find windows pro tablets in stock.. The number is highly impressive considering the competition, lack of hardware at retail and the fact a lot of users are upgrading their existing systems.

Can we lol at Thurrott now? Pretty please?


lol :)

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:24

I found this and not that it's anything new to me but makes pretty interesting reading: Found this at InfoWorld.


Yeah, I imagine releasing at this time of year it's easy to say you "sold" X number to OEMs.

Still, it's clearly not going to be the utter failure everyone here wants it to be.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:28

Are 40 million still using it? That's the question worth asking.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:28

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#12 Stoffel

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:29

Can we lol at Thurrott now? Pretty please?


To be fair, he never said Win8 didn't sell well.
He said that it's not doing as well as internal predictions.
40mil is great but if they expected to sell 70mil then it's not doing great

Whatever, I think 40 mil is not bad, specially after all the complaining I've been reading over the past year

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:29

Pretty decent numbers. The ultimate test will be whether the numbers stay consistent moving forward.
Also, do these numbers include all the Surface tablets? The numbers are a little less impressive if it does (PC-wise).

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:30

It's a failure just as Vista was.... go back and read the first threads when Vista came out... deja vu...
It took MS almost a year to actually acknowledge that Vista flopped.
I am already seeing Windows 9 or whatever is called coming up next year to correct the mistake that this OS is...

#15 OP spudtrooper

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:31

Pretty decent numbers. The ultimate test will be whether the numbers stay consistent moving forward.
Also, do these numbers include all the Surface tablets? The numbers are a little less impressive if it does (PC-wise).


MS is only building 1.5 to 3 million surfaces for 2012.. Surface is just part of the strategy of windows 8, not the strategy..

It's a failure just as Vista was.... go back and read the first threads when Vista came out... deja vu...
It took MS almost a year to actually acknowledge that Vista flopped.
I am already seeing Windows 9 or whatever is called coming up next year to correct the mistake that this OS is...


delusional much?



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