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Windows 8 Sales are actually Amazing - 40 million sold

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Sure, but then the same people would start complaining that basically nothing changed and it's a lot of money for a 'Service Pack'

Not if they used Service Packs to bring real changes and not use them as glorified bug fixes.

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Not if they used Service Packs to bring real changes and not use them as glorified bug fixes.

Do you know *why* Service Packs are all about bug fixes?

Because the first two times Microsoft added major features via a Service Pack (Windows NT Service Pack 4 and Windows 95's first Service Pack), the protests were long AND loud over it - in fact, Microsoft was accused by all and sundry of massive over-reach, and especially with NT Service Pack 4. It would be a LONG time after that before Microsoft would add major features via a Service Pack entirely BECAUSE of that hullabaloo.

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^ I know, but times have changed now. XP SP2 brought good changes and people were receptive to it.

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Shh...don't bring in facts (which I've done before) as it won't be well received.

The next comment will be something along the lines of...well that was just a single source, most actually were very receptive.

You'll ask for a source, and they will instead get huffy and get ****ed off.

However since I've now posted that the next thing they'll do will be an attempt to ridicule me instead for having posted this...under the guise of hating me for being 'all-knowing' and such a 'braggart'.

However since I've posted that....well I'll let that response be a surprise. ;)

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I think we've come around in a fitting circle; back in the XP, Vista, and Windows 7 days, people were all about Docks, Samurize, and Rainmeter, and wrote little programs to remove the Start button.

http://www.trickyways.com/2009/05/remove-start-button-in-windows-7-vista-xp-with-start-killer/

Now that the Start menu is gone and we've got Live tiles for real-time info, everyone's itching to get things back to the way they were because no one wants those sort of things.

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Well, I hate live tiles myself. Too much going on for me. I cut them off first thing.

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Well, I hate live tiles myself. Too much going on for me. I cut them off first thing.

Same here, gotta love Windows 7.

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Same here, gotta love Windows 7.

How does this have anything to do with live tiles? You can completely disable them in 8 and only have static icons for your desktop apps.

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i don't think you can judge this by how many are sold... for example, i bet gloves with 4 fingers and a thumb is the #1 seller at a glove store. when its basically your only choice, it will sell.

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You really want to stretch this out as far as you can don't you?

LOL...

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i don't think you can judge this by how many are sold... for example, i bet gloves with 4 fingers and a thumb is the #1 seller at a glove store. when its basically your only choice, it will sell.

These are purchased upgrades, not licenses sold with computers. This means people are choosing (omg!) to install Windows 8 on PCs they already own. Amazing.

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These are purchased upgrades, not licenses sold with computers. This means people are choosing (omg!) to install Windows 8 on PCs they already own. Amazing.

Can someone verify this to be 100% accurate from a non-biased source?

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These are purchased upgrades, not licenses sold with computers. This means people are choosing (omg!) to install Windows 8 on PCs they already own. Amazing.

i missed the amazing part... what do you mean?

These are purchased upgrades, not licenses sold with computers. This means people are choosing (omg!) to install Windows 8 on PCs they already own. Amazing.

I can't find it anywhere to link it, but this includes ALL computers sold at stores that offers the FREE (in some cases $14.99) upgrade to windows 8 WHEN it was for general release. So in essence,it is still basically OEM sales, just with an upgrade option that gets counted.

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Never has any Windows OS become more reliable on what the user has to install to enable or disable functionality, as Windows 8 does, by using third-party software.

Stardock, and all the other third-party app makers, must be laughing (all the way to the bank, probably) lol.

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Can someone verify this to be 100% accurate from a non-biased source?

The only source is Microsoft, which you will trust when it's Windows 7, Vista, or earlier, but they must be lying if it's 8.
I can't find it anywhere to link it, but this includes ALL computers sold at stores that offers the FREE (in some cases $14.99) upgrade to windows 8 WHEN it was for general release. So in essence,it is still basically OEM sales, just with an upgrade option that gets counted.

So what if it does? That means that people are choosing Windows 8 on their newly purchased computer over what they'd had installed before. When Windows 7 had the same promotion, it was actually free, not $14.99.

But why the hell am I wasting my time typing this? You're going to twist this in your own warped little mind trying to make it look bad for Windows 8. Microsoft is the one laughing all the way to the bank. Can't wait for the next earnings call.

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That means that people are choosing Windows 8 on their newly purchased computer over what they'd had installed before. When Windows 7 had the same promotion, it was actually free, not $14.99.

Hmm, I think not. :)

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The only source is Microsoft, which you will trust when it's Windows 7, Vista, or earlier, but they must be lying if it's 8.

So what if it does? That means that people are choosing Windows 8 on their newly purchased computer over what they'd had installed before. When Windows 7 had the same promotion, it was actually free, not $14.99.

But why the hell am I wasting my time typing this? You're going to twist this in your own warped little mind trying to make it look bad for Windows 8. Microsoft is the one laughing all the way to the bank. Can't wait for the next earnings call.

you could be mistaking me for someone else, i have never dissed Windows 8. But having just said that i can say that i don't prefer it. The only thing i was mentioning is that the 40 million sold upgrades we mostly "sold" before launch. It doesn't actually say 40 million copies INSTALLED, only sold which 1/2 could still be not claimed by the purchaser. Sounds honestly like you seem to be offended at the comment. Are you selling trying windows 8 or something?

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http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/29/research-firm-says-windows-8-had-a-rocky-start/

The relevant bits...

Microsoft?s 40 million figure, in contrast, represents copies of Windows that Microsoft sells to all of its customers. That includes some consumers but more often it reflects sales to the hardware makers that install Windows on their machines, some of which have not yet been bought by consumers.

Basically, if the Dells and HPs of the world buy 40m licenses of Windows for new PCs, it is reported the same by Microsoft regardless of whether those 40m PCs are actually sold or are still languishing on shelves.

Unit sales of Windows PCs in retail stores in the United States fell 21 percent in the four-week period spanning Oct. 21 to Nov. 17, compared to the same period the previous year, according to the firm.

[...]

At the time, NPD said that unit sales of Windows PCs rose 49 percent during the first week Windows 7 was on sale, compared to the same period the previous year.

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Right..but it's still measured in the same way as sales for Win 7 were.

So basically grow up and accept it.

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Never has any Windows OS become more reliable on what the user has to install to enable or disable functionality, as Windows 8 does, by using third-party software.

Stardock, and all the other third-party app makers, must be laughing (all the way to the bank, probably) lol.

Windows 8 isn't reliable on any app to run. I use it the same as I use Windows 7, and am just as productive, if not more now.

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Windows 8 isn't reliable on any app to run. I use it the same as I use Windows 7, and am just as productive, if not more now.

Um yes it is, for a lot of us. How is Windows 8 more productive than Windows 7?

To me, this OS is the first OS that frustrates me to hell. Oh and it has been over a month so I did give it the "one month of use" rule you guys seem to require. In order to make this OS bearable, I need to resort to registry tweaks or a third party program like Start8 in order to get rid of those stupid stupid stupid invisible bars and menus. I am on the damn desktop, let me use the entire screen like I did before. Windows 8 Desktop mode does not work just like Windows 7 like you guys seem to say, or am I just imagining these bars? I had somebody complain that whenever they use Chrome, they always activate the Top - Left hot corner and wanted Windows 7 again. I said this in another thread, but when a client was over and we were working on photoshop, she activated them constantly. Do you realize how embarrassing it is when you are trying to work with a client and the OS keeps on being annoying? I activate them dozens of times throughout the day when I am working.

With the way things are, I do not see businesses moving to a new Windows OS ever after 7.

Again.....just give us some damn options.

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Windows 8 isn't reliable on any app to run. I use it the same as I use Windows 7, and am just as productive, if not more now.

Dot, until now, tablet-type applications were niche applications on niche devices - now, they are not only no longer niche applications, but aren't restricted to tablets; thus not so dismissable.

That's the REAL anger out in the general marketplace among the technical set - tablets are influencing the rest of computing, and they would rather it didn't.

Um yes it is, for a lot of us. How is Windows 8 more productive than Windows 7?

To me, this OS is the first OS that frustrates me to hell. Oh and it has been over a month so I did give it the "one month of use" rule you guys seem to require. In order to make this OS bearable, I need to resort to registry tweaks or a third party program like Start8 in order to get rid of those stupid stupid stupid invisible bars and menus. I am on the damn desktop, let me use the entire screen like I did before. Windows 8 Desktop mode does not work just like Windows 7 like you guys seem to say, or am I just imagining these bars? I had somebody complain that whenever they use Chrome, they always activate the Top - Left hot corner and wanted Windows 7 again. I said this in another thread, but when a client was over and we were working on photoshop, she activated them constantly. Do you realize how embarrassing it is when you are trying to work with a client and the OS keeps on being annoying? I activate them dozens of times throughout the day when I am working.

With the way things are, I do not see businesses moving to a new Windows OS ever after 7.

Again.....just give us some damn options.

Would you just listen to yourself here?

You knew (and knew cold) that Windows 8 was radically different than Windows 7, and especially in terms of the UX/UI - not a single person that uses (and likes) Windows 8 hid that.

Yet you insist on using it the exact same way you used Windows 7, even though you knew it was highly improbable if not impossible.

Why?

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Dot, until now, tablet-type applications were niche applications on niche devices - now, they are not only no longer niche applications, but aren't restricted to tablets; thus not so dismissable.

That's the REAL anger out in the general marketplace among the technical set - tablets are influencing the rest of computing, and they would rather it didn't.

Would you just listen to yourself here?

You knew (and knew cold) that Windows 8 was radically different than Windows 7, and especially in terms of the UX/UI - not a single person that uses (and likes) Windows 8 hid that.

Yet you insist on using it the exact same way you used Windows 7, even though you knew it was highly improbable if not impossible.

Why?

No, I am saying that to Dot. When somebody complains like I do, he has said MANY MANY times "Windows 8 is used JUST LIKE Windows 7". And I am saying to everyone else that says "Give it a month and you will LOVE it".

I am sorry I am trying to use my computer the same way I have been for more than a decade. Unless Microsoft brings some things back, most businesses will feel the same. I already know a few businesses that have said that to me.

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Um yes it is, for a lot of us. How is Windows 8 more productive than Windows 7?

What's changed in Windows 8, compared to Windows 7, that makes it unusable? I still have an app launcher, I still have apps, and I still have a file explorer. I still use Windows 8 with many of my old habits. Windows 8 did not require me to change a thing, and I still use it they way it was out of the box.

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