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#76 FlintyV

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 18:27

One of the articles linked above your post says he left their bodies in his basement for a day before police discovered them. That doesn't help his self-defense case...


Even said he asked the neighbour to recommend a ' good lawyer' before the police were even called..and people are defending this guy :huh:


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 18:45

Typical response by certain individuals.It says to me F you, if you're attacked you' SOL. Those that want to defend themselves are just blood thirsty violence filled heathens.. Call me what you wish but im not going to bend over and take it..

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 18:46

They shouldn't have broken into his house. Their fault.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 18:53

Typical response by certain individuals.It says to me F you, if you're attacked you' SOL. Those that want to defend themselves are just blood thirsty violence filled heathens.. Call me what you wish but im not going to bend over and take it..


But you seem to forget this guy is charged with two counts of second-degree murder...It's just an odd thing to see people supporting a man charged with that.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 20:03

Most people in this thread condem what he did including me.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 21:20

wait...can we call this Minnesota Style?


The guy needs to go to jail for what he did. period. The kids deserved to be shot dead. period.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 21:49

My wife and I have pistol carry permits & combat training, as well as being hunting archers, and our 14 year old is skilled with both bow & shotgun.

If someone breaks into our domicile, especially at night (a legal distinction here makes that a higher grade felony) they're VERY likely to end up dead. If one flees the scene the defender can also fire to prevent their escape & do a citizens arrest (Fleeing Felon Rule.)

Essentially, under Michigan law if you feel threatened a robber is fair game, they may as well bend over & kiss their ass goodbye, and if you do shoot one you have civil immunity - neither he or his relatives can sue you.



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Posted 03 December 2012 - 21:58

wait...can we call this Minnesota Style?


The guy needs to go to jail for what he did. period. The kids deserved to be shot dead. period.


You'd better tell the police then who've charged him with murder that as it seems they and the law disagree with you.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 22:06

One of the articles linked above your post says he left their bodies in his basement for a day before police discovered them. That doesn't help his self-defense case...


I was talking about in general it takes awhile for PD to get there.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 22:15

Most people in this thread condem what he did including me.


So here's the $64k question... do you think people like him should be allowed to own guns?

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 01:22

If someone breaks into our domicile, especially at night (a legal distinction here makes that a higher grade felony) they're VERY likely to end up dead. If one flees the scene the defender can also fire to prevent their escape & do a citizens arrest (Fleeing Felon Rule.)


I'm not sure I agree with that. I can see defending your place but when someone is fleeing that is a different set of circumstances. However, Michigan, like any other state, has to make laws as they see fit.

#87 KingCracker

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 01:27

So here's the $64k question... do you think people like him should be allowed to own guns?

I think you can't play thought police and tell everyone they can't have something because someone does something stupid with it. We're talking millions and millions and millions of people and a few F up and you want to tell all the rest of the millions of people that have never committed a crime to give up their property? Personally I make sure I obey the law to the fullest because I don't want my second amendment right taken from me. But to have someone take my property away from me because of what some fool did that I don't approve of, that's just wrong. Essentially telling everyone that you can't be trusted..

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 01:51

So here's the $64k question... do you think people like him should be allowed to own guns?

His answer is sure a long-version of Yes.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 02:07

I think felons and the mentally unstable shouldnt own them and I think illegal drug users shouldnt own them as well. All of those people are already unable to purchase a firearm by law. I think mental health records should be made more available. But
I don't think everyone should be subjected to mental health screens.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 02:10

I think felons and the mentally unstable shouldnt own them




I don't think everyone should be subjected to mental health screens.


Wha?